Showing posts with label heterosexism and homophobia. Show all posts
Showing posts with label heterosexism and homophobia. Show all posts

Friday, June 17, 2011

Fictional Functional Families, Hugh Hefner, and the Matter of Freedom of Choice

photo of the cast of The Waltons is from here

I watch some very mainstream television. This would be a confession if I thought there was something shameful about doing so, but as I have a television and an internet connection too slow to play video (films), what, honestly, are my choices? Corporate TV is what I get, along with Democracy Now! Today I watched an old episode of The Waltons from one of its last years on the airwaves, when the grandparents, mother, and John-Boy were no longer on the show. The show didn't do as well in the ratings when the extended nuclear family unraveled due to real-life issues like desire to change jobs, illness, and death.

I loved The Waltons. And the person in the program I most identified with was... well, there were two. As an intergender male, one was John-Boy, because he was such a caring, sensitive male. The other was Erin, the next-to-youngest girl, because she was sort of invisible as she wasn't statused by being the oldest or the youngest. (I most identified with Jan Brady in The Brady Bunch, for many of the same reasons.)

As I watched today, I thought about how many television shows I grew up with starred all-white casts, usually Christian ones too. The Waltons, The Brady Bunch, The The Partridge Family, and Little House on the Prairie were among my favorite shows. I soaked in programs that featured fictional functional families, and functional meant white, Christian, and only heterosexual. I was a gay kid living in a Jewish family. What was I supposed to think of myself by wishing I was part of those families?

What were Black and Brown, Asian, and Indigenous children supposed to long for, to feel that displaced sense of belonging to a fictional family demonstrating unconditional love? How do you feel unconditional love if you're not the color of the family you're watching being loving? There were no dramatic series depicting a nuclear-ish family that was Latina, Asian, or Indigenous. There were a few shows featuring Black families, but only situation comedies. I remember hearing Oprah Winfrey describe the effect of seeing a Black family behave affectionately on television. It happened when Claire and Heathcliff Huxtable cuddled on their couch. She was moved to tears, realising she had gone for all her life to that point never seeing this reflected back to her. I could relate to what she was saying, as I was yearning to see a gay couple of any color relate that way in their fictional home. I'm still waiting to see it. I'm sorry Oprah had to wait until the 1980s to see a Black woman and man be sweet to one another on television.


I'll Fly Away was one of the first dramatic program featuring a Black family but they had a supportive role that existed around the world of the main family in the show: a white one. I loved I'll Fly Away too. Regina Taylor was great in a role that didn't give her or her TV family enough air-time.

photograph of Regina Taylor is from here
For those who don't know--and I'm guessing most of you don't--I'll Fly Away was a dramatic series that ran for a couple of years in the early 1990s. Like The Waltons, it was set in the US south. But it took place a couple of decades later, during the Civil Rights struggles. Lilly Harper was the name of a character who, in the story, was hired to work in the home of a widowed white het male lawyer, in part to take care of his three children and also to cook their meals. Occasionally, the storyline took us to her home and life away from the white main characters, especially as her involvement in the Civil Rights movement increased. The lack of central attention on her own life as "more than housekeeper to whites" was not exactly the intention of the show's creators. The network would only support a show that still kept the primary spotlight on white people. From Wikipedia:
Series creators Joshua Brand and John Falsey have stated that the inspiration for the series was the classic 1962 film To Kill a Mockingbird. While the film centers around attorney Atticus Finch and his family, the pair wondered about the life of Calpurnia, the Finches' African-American maid. Her story goes unexplored in the movie. A serious and seemingly well-educated individual who is respected by her employers, Calpurnia is the inspiration for the character Lilly Harper in I'll Fly Away.
We might take a moment to consider what the employment options were for a woman who was the African American and Southern at that time. We can assume becoming President of the US was not possible, no matter how hard she tugged on those bootstraps. Things have changed since then, but not nearly deeply enough. The proportion of Black women in the US who will be filthy rich remains far less than the proportion of white men. A huge reason for that is laws governing inheritance. Most white families keep their money to themselves.

Options for Black women in the US: what they currently? Not for one woman, but for millions?

I'm watching to see how Oprah Winfrey rescues her network (OWN) from low ratings. I believe she will. She knows far too much about television production and how to get and keep high ratings to not be successful with OWN. She's beginning to put out a brand with some new programming featuring troubled celebrities, which allows her to combine her two most popular elements from the talk show that recently finished out a 25-year career. Those two elements are celebrities and emotional well-being. When watching a news story about the Oprah Winfrey talk show ending, a white middle-class woman spoke about how it was her lifeline to reminders that she has a spiritual life, and to not neglect it.

This tells us so much about CRAP--that it is an anti-spiritual, emotionally unhealthy existence, devoted to consuming, exploiting, and surviving by destroying most of what is around us, if not also ourselves. That a television program that reminds us we are spiritual beings having a human experience is a rarity. And those that also remind us we are existing inside truly vile systems of hierarchical oppression are non-existent. This means we don't really understand how those systems work. And, often enough, we deny they exist at all.

But back to emotional well-being for a moment. If you're really privileged, if you control a lot of the conditions of your life--such as by being economically secure, by not living in a shack--as many millions of good people do, by not being subjected to rape and the threat of rape daily and nightly--you might believe what many white class-privileged people believe: that your well-being is yours to determine.

It is partly ours to determine. But it is also determined by forces around and beyond us. Noticing this means we are called, perhaps, to organise and change those forces so they are more humane and just. But corporate television is owned by powerful companies that are invested in destruction of people, animals, and the Earth, and don't want us organising. So they won't tell us about those systems of harm and inhumanity--how they work, what they are designed to do, and so on.

Understanding those systems and structures has been a primary goal of mine for a long time. Since being nine years old, I'd say. At nine I began to see how things were really fucked up socially with regard to race, ethnicity, and gender. Eventually I added sexuality to the list too. Last on for me was economic status and class.

The principles by which we live our lives--our core philosophies for "good living", are structured for us if we are receiving them from corporate television or by authors who promote values that are not going to prevent them from appearing on corporate television to promote their books. Dr. Phil was supported by Oprah Winfrey. He has the most viewed daytime talk show in the US, now that Oprah's show has stopped airing new episodes.

On OWN, I saw him speaking with the former Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson. She has a reality show detailing her journey towards greater self-awareness and personal emotional healing. She had a rough childhood emotionally but was stable economically. (Her mother left her when she was twelve, and her father was affectionally distant and very emotionally abusive.) Rarely are connections made between economic poverty and emotional distress, I find. People who are poor are assumed, if living in the US, to be able to pull themselves up from their bootstraps and find happiness in the upper middle class world that remains exclusive and exclusionary to most poor people, by design.

When we're told anyone can do something, we might notice we're not told "everyone can do it"--or even "many". We might notice that US society values pursuing happiness, not achieving it--unless you're very privileged. Even then happiness might not be yours, but not having to worry about health care and housing, not having to work three jobs to still not be able to pay your bills and feed your children, goes a long way towards being happy. While a few poor, Black, sexually abused children might be able to grow up, like Oprah, and become rich, not all poor people can. Not all Black people can. Not all sexually abused children can. And they can't not because they can't find their bootstraps. They can't because the capitalist, racist, child-hating systems they live in manufacture poverty, oil companies manufacture ecocide and the pornography industry manufactures contempt for women of all colors.

Being told "you can be whoever you want to be" was spoken a lot as President Obama won the election. What wasn't said is that "If we have one Black president, we won't be able to have another one for a score of years; probably longer." What we're not told is that "You won't be able to be president if you're a woman who is Black, Brown, Asian, or Indigenous. Not even a white Christian woman has been president, although I suspect that if Hillary Clinton were the Democratic nominee in 2008, she would have won the top office. How long do you think it will take for us to have an Indigenous president of any gender? A person born in the US also won't become president if they're Jewish or Muslim, even if they're white, male, and heterosexual.

The limitations on what we can do are not discussed as much as the apparent freedoms we have to become whatever we want. I want to live in a world where children and women are not routinely and customarily sexually assaulted. I want a world where no Indigenous people are facing genocidal destruction. I want a world without military wars, without warlords, and without patriarchal tyrants and terrorists. But I suppose that's asking for too much.

So back to the small world of our own private emotional worlds that I'm supposed to be preoccupied with if I'm allowed to think about such things at all.

Online, I found what follows, from *here*. The author discusses the same program on OWN that I watched. For those who don't know, Sarah "Fergie" Ferguson was married to Prince Andrew of the British Royal Family, but lost the marriage and a lot more. But she's not homeless because Prince Andrew is paying her rent. That's what knowing and being loved and cared about by rich people can do for you. But if the rich are the few--increasingly the tinier few--this means, necessarily, that there will be fewer non-rich people who know them that well.

As I'm not generally cynical, I find some of the concepts here quite moving.
Hi beautiful and powerful women;
While watching the new reality show, "Finding Sarah", I had a breakthrough moment or an "aha" moment as Oprah calls it. Fergie was talking with Dr. Phil and he was explaining why some of us are "blocked" at certain phases of our lives - We all have a personal truth, and that truth is what we really believe about ourselves when nobody is looking or listening. It's what we truly believe about ourselves in the core of our souls. He said, "Personal truth is so important because I think we generate the results in our life that we believe we deserve." I had to rewind that statement several times to totally absorb those powerful words. "Wow", what do I believe I deserve? Have I been blocking myself from all the universe has to share with me by believing I'm undeserving? Dr. Phil went on to say, "If you have a damaged personal truth, you generate the results that match that." "When we grow up, people write on the slate of who we are. People like parents write on our slate. But the most tragic thing of all is when we pick up the pen and start writing and we write the same things they did.." What is your personal truth? What is my personal truth? Do we have a damaged personal truth? That's a powerful question that deserves some honest quiet time to reflect. If your personal truth was damaged like mine was as a child, it's time for us to take that story and write in the the beautiful truth about who we are and what we deserve. We are amazing children and women of God, and while our parents were doing their best to gift us what they could, they probably didn't have the tools to sculpt the masterpiece we are meant to be. Now it's our responsibility to accept God's grace, love, and power so we may soar like angels... The more we have, the more we have to share with one another. We are all beautiful and so deserving of all the miracles, love, abundance, and magic this world and the universe has to share with us. Know how precious and beautiful you are and I ,too, will try to see God's beauty in me. I love all of you and I believe your personal truth is amazing!
You will note that there's no mention of how society, as a whole, or media in particular, writes on our slates. And how even if we have caring families with loving care-givers, a hostile world all jagged and nasty with rape and racism will still find ways to write on our slates.

I had loving care-givers. Several of them. I never went to bed not having eaten all day, and I always had a bed to sleep in. We might say I was lucky, but a whole lot of that not going to bed hungry and having a bed has to do with the particulars of my family's history of being white and therefore able to get employed in certain ways that weren't available to people of color.

I also was bullied for years, sexually abused and sexually assaulted, and endured anti-Semitism and a whole fucking lot of homophobic violence.

The sexual assault, perhaps even more than the bullying, wrote on my slate. What the assaulter wrote on me was this:

You are worthless. You are nothing. You are a thing for me to use as I see fit. You are something for me to wipe myself on. You are dirty. You are bad. You are aren't human in the way that I am human--I get to do stuff to you and you don't get to do stuff to me. Your value is in being used.

As  many feminists have noted, this is power boiled down to its essence: the ability to act. The ability to have what one wants done to be done. Crystal Harris just broke off her engagement to Hugh Hefner. He's 85 and she's sixty years younger than him. She decided she didn't want to be a well-kept prisoner. I'm glad. Apparently Hugh is quite a tyrant at home. He demands that things go his way all the damn time. He has movie nights and the women he wants there have to be there--two old movies on two nights; a new movie on the third night. He wants to play cards at certain times, so that's what the women around him do because they know if they don't they'll be tossed out on their exploitively photographed butts. Hugh Hefner is a silk-pajama'ed pimp who figured out how to be a publisher. That's what he ought to be well-known for. But corporate media will tout him as a fighter for justice and freedom; "only his own freedom" is the part that's left out.

I wanted to prostitute myself to procurers on and off during parts of my life and probably the one thing that kept me from doing it was not being homeless and broke. And when I seriously contemplated doing so, I'd come into contact, very strongly, with those messages that the serial rapist of children wrote on my slate. And knowing that selling myself to strange men would deepen the grooves of those etched messages left me very conflicted about following through with what be might be called a compulsion that wasn't acted out for many years.

I acted it out with a male cousin for a few years in motel rooms, answering his calls for sex as he wanted it. That did more deeply etch some of those messages--particularly the ones that told me I was undesirable except to be used. I'm now thinking about how when a man is interested in me that fact alone is triggering. Now I know why: it triggers what, in my memory, is the stuff that happens next: being used and abused.

I am celibate and I am asexual and it is with those conditions in place that I pursue my own form of happiness that doesn't look much like what corporate media tells me I should be acquiring to get it.

I know many people, mostly not white, mostly not men, who also choose to not have sex with other people. Some of them have active and enjoyable sexual relationships with themselves: I call that being celibate. I don't welcome or want sex: I call that being asexual.

I'm not anti-sex any more than I'm anti-food. I think sex can be as good as eating, as nutritious and fulfilling, and as bad compulsively eating CRAPpy food or getting food poisoning. And when you need food, you eat what's available. And when people want sex or romance with others, sometimes they take what they can get.

I watched female cousins choose men who were neglectful and abusive, get divorced, and then meet men who were far more loving. I suspect that they learned something about their value by being so devalued in their first marriages and, importantly, understanding that the messenger was wrong. In reflecting on their first husbands, I am struck with how these young men were very much like many other men around at that time, living in that culture. Curiously, the second husbands were from other states and other cultures. When they had a real opportunity to eat better food, they did. One of my cousins now runs regularly and eats mostly organic food. We didn't know what organic food was when we were kids. We were too busy eating peanut butter with added sugar and hydrogenated oil; with marshmallow fluff, which was basically all sugar; on very white bread made from bleached, bromated flour. The culture wasn't yet selling whole grain bread in the grocery stores. We take what is available, often enough. And that isn't the same as having freedom of choice.

I saw a man on television who was being interviewed by news media. He and his children had no clean water to drink, and no home, and were drinking water gathered from a stream where people washed their clothes and bodies. Thirsty in the heat, he was pouring it into his mouth and, one presumes, into the mouths of his children. He was being as good a care-giver as he could be within the conditions he was living inside. How he was far more like how most people live than how the members of the The Brady Bunch, or even the Depression-era Waltons lived. I remember reading an article in the New York Times about how the Waltons on television we're being depicted at all like how poor whites in that part of the US were actually living during that time in history. The punishing poverty common to that area of the US was removed from their story.

I wanted to believe it was close enough, because believing the television shows were dishonest was too difficult to accept. I needed it too much--to be the Truth. If television lied, that meant I had nothing into which to find my lonely hopes fulfilled.


Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Enemies or Allies, part 2 of a conversation between profeminist Julian Real and men's rights activist James Huff: Het Men's Threats and Fathers' Wrongs


 HET MEN'S THREATS &
image is from here
Coming up in part 3, I hope, will be James' direct responses to the questions I posed in part 1 that he, as yet,  hasn't answered.

For now, this:

On Wednesday, 1 June 2011, a man named Noah Benzing emailed me. The subject heading said, "AIDS". The body of the email is as follows:

Just wanted to let you know that AIDS kills fags dead and I hope you die soon. 


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Pithy, isn't it? I've gotten a number of emails like this--dozens at least. From many men. So many men: so little originality.


I decided to send it on over to James, so he could see how his allies typically "respond" to me. He very kindly sent me this response:

James to Julian:
Wed., June 1, 2011
Ridiculous assholes.  It's no different than the calls of "baby-killer" for me.   Ever think they are scared of you? or jealous  ;)

Ignore the troll.   They have no place decent to hide when universal truth comes knocking at their door. Remember your mind is your most powerful weapon.


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I responded as follows and await his thoughtful reply.

Wed., 1 June 2011
Hi James,

I'm going to respond a bit to that, because it points out something that is significantly different about us. And that, again, has to do with our political location socially and structurally.

First, though, on one level it is no different: on the level of its absurdity and stupidity, perhaps it is no different (I'll ask you about this later in this email). But on many other levels it is quite different and is designed to do something very different.

People who hurl misogynist and anti-gay or racist or anti-Semitic epithets at those who speak out (allegedly freely) against bigotry, hate crimes, and institutionalised social and economic discrimination, social oppression, and political (domestic and international) terrorism by one group against another, are doing something else other than being jealous, fearful, silly, and ignorant. But I agree they may well be all of those things.

The whites who do this to people of color; the men who do this to women; the hets who do this to lesbians and gay men are doing something else too. They are participating in the culture of terrorism against those oppressed people. And that culture of terrorism is not abstract: the terrorism is real, even while Noah's email to me is pathetic.

As I wished to make clear earlier on in our correspondence, "reality" is a collection of experiences, an agreed-upon episteme, an accepted while rigorously socially enforced ethical and ideological framework built with systematic or compulsory actions that sometimes bolster identities.

It is only the powers-that-be in charge that are thuggish terrorists which get to act without accountability, however. If someone is a Muslim-identified extremist-terrorist and threatens the US or does something aggressive that makes US citizens feel afraid--or die--the US military will take a decade to track them down and murder them. But if our white male-led country bombs the shit out of Afghanistan and Iraq, and Pakistan, making Afghani, Iraqi, and Pakistani citizens feel afraid or die? What means do those countries have to get the US and NATO invaders out? The US's power to invade is far greater than the powers of the relatively powerless (and relatively few) active Muslim terrorists. And the kinds of corrupt power exercised by the US government and its corporations is often enough cowardly and ignorance-based. But that's not all it is. It is also largely effective, which is why power is exercised in those ways at all, some of the time but not necessarily all of it.

Consider this: without acts of terrorism, what is al Qaeda? A group of people who are jealous, perhaps? A group of people who feel humiliated by not being in power the way the US currently is? Some of those members may organise to do something aggressive and hostile, but it can only ever be "extremists" who do it. This is not the case with US aggression and hostility. Normal, red- and blue-blooded Americans can and do want us to bomb the shit out of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan. I cannot begin to tell you how many times I've heard white Americans say that "we ought to make a parking lot out of [fill in the name of the country we are warring against]. Even if al Qaeda is not acting against the US there. Even with no weapons of mass destruction. Even with no Osama bin Laden.

There is no accountability in the US for what its military does. The people do not control the military. The military leaders control it. So our speech is not effective and therefore it doesn't really matter how "free" it is. If it is perpetually ineffective, or regarded as noise, what does the freedom of it actually mean? Isn't the point of speaking out to be able to have an effect--beyond speaking into air, I mean?

Often enough the cloaked-while-terroristic institutionalised means, methods, and mechanisms is sufficient for keeping groups of people down on the social hierarchies. But occasionally a few of the oppressed--or larger numbers of us--get what people atop social hierarchies term "uppity". We can note here that to be uppity means you're not at the top of the social hierarchy, practically by definition. And when that happens you will see violence used to shut them the fuck up. Verbal and physical violence. If the verbal doesn't work, the physical will be unleashed.

We might not that only Black people in the US were called uppity by whites. Not the reverse. And whites don't generally call one another "uppity". Why? Because on the racial hierarchy, whites are already on top, are already up, and have stayed there for as long as this country was a country. So there's nowhere else to go but down, in the minds of many whites. Equality feels like a demotion in status and acquisition of resources and power.

Similarly, het men are atop the sexual hierarchy in the US and elsewhere, over and above het and bi women, lesbian women, and gay and bi men. Their heterosexist ideology rules, and any threat to its sovereignty and to het male domination is seen as an attack, not just a critique. Women's critiques of male supremacy are supremely misunderstood and mis-experienced by men as an attack. It is a critique. There is no attack. The attacks are the rapes, the domestic and international terrorism, in the form of sexual assault, trafficking, and slavery. There is a trade in women and girls--and some boys--by white men internationally. There is no sexual slave trade of men and boys by women. No rackets of women trading pics of their latest assaults against boy-children are busted up by the FBI. That's not because the FBI aren't finding them.

So such actions as Noah Benzing's would be entirely ridiculous except for one thing: he and his colleagues and allies knows that most times, the tactic works to silence the allegedly "equally free" people who are speaking out too much. Only some people in any society founded on and intentionally maintaining oppressive social hierarchies need to resort to such tactics, but some must. Some men must rape, to keep alive the fear of rape. Some men must assault and terrorise women domestically to keep alive women's fear it could happen to them too.

For example, if you called on your MRA colleagues and allies to stop doing these silly while terroristic tactics, they wouldn't and they won't. Why? Because they are convinced this level of aggression is necessary to maintain their unjust privileges, their corrupt power over others, and unearned entitlements they wish to maintain. It is the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed, to borrow from divorce court lingo. Except they are the ones with the money, the social capital, to begin with--the status, the lack of stigma, the cultural clout, the political position. They have gotten accustomed to being on top and so efforts by the oppressed to achieve equality feel like and is experienced as a demotion, a lessening of value, a lowering of status, and a very serious threat because they can't really imagine the value of a truly equal society with no one on top.

Because they can't imagine this, they project onto women a desire to rule 'the other gender'; they project onto feminists a belief they want to create a matriarchy. It'd be only absurd if it weren't so prevalent a belief, seriously and terroristically acted out against feminists.

So many forms of violence are employed to keep the people at the top in charge. All forms of it. Every form necessary. By any means necessary men will rule women; whites will rule people of color; the rich will rule the poor; and heterosexuals will rule lesbians and gay men.

With that, all we have to do is notice the violence and name it as such. So when women name "rape" men must chime in and say, no, you're lying. And when gay men and lesbians deem something a hate crime, some heterosexuals must come back with, "No, they were just kidding. It wasn't serious." To whom, James, is it not serious?

Which brings me back to the beginning. What Noah did, in the context of living in an anti-gay society where truckloads of young and perhaps not-so-young het men do wish for me to be dead, do welcome me being beaten and raped, is a threat. Not such an idle one, even if Noah is, among other things, a buffoon and a coward.

And while my mind is stronger than his, his fists are stronger than mine--or the fists of his thug-buddies. I've received their death threats, with quite detailed information about how they wish to accomplish the deeds. Your counsel pretends this is only ever an exchange of words, of ideas, of thought. But for me being chased down the street was not an idea only. And for almost all the women I know, rape and sexual harassment from men are not words, even while words are used during the acts. And oppression--discrimination, subjugation, violation--isn't a thought primarily.

On these grounds, I respond with this: me being called a "f*g" who should die of AIDS is not the same thing, socially and structurally, as you being called a baby-killer. Because there is no plague that took out a generation of your people while the president who ruled the country refused to speak about how to prevent it being spread. And bullying in schools doesn't propel het boys--socially perceived and regarded as such--to commit suicide disproportionately. Boys aren't called "het" as a way to humiliate and terrorise them. This demonstrates the lack of equality present. But I'm wanting to know is anyone calling you a baby-killer? On what "logical" or "moral" grounds?

And, do you see any of their tactics as honorable?

Julian

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And here is James' latest reply to me:

Wed. 1 June 2011

I understand where you are coming from, in that a threat is a threat..to be taken soberly..with all the ramifications it implies.

My own uncle called me a "baby-killer", and wouldn't let me attend a family reunion after getting back from Iraq...on the grounds he thought I was a danger and a bad influence to his family.  I do not believe such a position was logical or moral.  I thought that blood would be thicker than water in this case, but I was wrong.

As far as terms of humiliation....hmmm.
I have been called any number of things, and I must say that "baby-killer" was perhaps the worst, regardless of its source.
I think my peculiar way of looking at things, keeps me from being able to really see much beyond logical speculation...even when  faced with such persecution.
I knew he was wrong in his base assumptions...and I took his threats of violence against me seriously if I showed up..but I also knew that he cast himself in a light that paint him forever in a negative fashion.  So for some reason, I remained rather immune to the effect I think he intended to have on me.

These self-identified MRAs who do these things are nothing of the sort.  The REAL MRAs are already speaking to legislators and lobbyists.  They are already scouring court documents, civil and criminal cases alike.  The movement has become a multi-headed hydra...each moving on a different front, a loose coalition that is already gaining the attention of lawmakers and the media in ever increasing numbers.  Look up the National Coalition for Men, and S.A.V.E.  These are just a few of the organizations who are moving in a big way in the last year......and they plan on hitting hard right before the election season next year.

There are independent research and lobby groups located in Australia and the U.K. as well....U.K. has a group called Fathers for Justice which has already been active for a couple of years, and they are bringing to the public consciousness the skewed DV and rape statistics used in that country. They have also been successful in bringing up how false rape allegations are hurting men and women.  Women because of the "cry wolf" idea.  This is why there have been a couple prominent cases already over there where women have gone to court and been found guilty of perjury and sentenced to one to three years off a false allegation.

So you see that I am learning more about WHO is out there, actually doing work...and these are the real MRAs.  My task is to educate new people. Those who seek to become active like these groups must not give sway to hateful or angry rhetoric.  No one would see us as anything other than evil trolls if that is the case.  As it is, there are already a number of fine groups out there who keep it exactly where it needs to be.....in the courts, in lawmakers offices, and in awareness projects that are starting to spread across Western culture.

It's much bigger than I thought.....So much bigger.  It just has sooooo many groups on local, state, and national levels that no one has even kept track of them all.  And most of them have sprung up within the last 5 years.

Have you looked up Erin Pizzy or Eva yet.  I think you will see what I mean. The threats of violence go both ways.


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Hi James,

I have not, as yet, looked them up. 

It appears you're stating that the "MRAs" online are not real MRAs, and are, instead, unconscionable and unethical bullies and imposters. Do I have that right?

I'll add that it'll take other than anecdotal cases, or a few cases, to prove that your perspective on things approaches the greater truths of what's going on and going down. I'm counting the experiences in the millions, not one or two or three. In the millions women are beaten savagely by men, sometimes to death. Often enough men do these beatings, and other humiliations of women, in front of children and then want custody of them after the woman leaves him. On what grounds ought any battering terrorist man get custody of children who he abuses? Do you believe that men who terrorise and beat up the mothers of their children should get custody of those children?

I have known battered women very well. And the stories MRAs and FR guys like to promote leave out so much reality that it's a wonder they have the standing they do in places like Australia, except for one thing: the courts have never been anything other that viciously patriarchal, anti-woman, and pro-white het male supremacist. This is to say, the courts are for the maintenance of the status quo: a culture, a government, a legal system, and a value system which enforces and protects class-privileged white men's right (read: wrong) to discriminate egregiously against women of all colors. It is comparable in the UK and in the US. Men rule in all three countries, and FR activists and MRAs help make sure the power stays in men's hands, to control, terrorise, and assault women, in so many ways.

I grew up seeing the effects of battery on women. As soon as women got the courage to speak out, through the shame, along came men saying silly things like "women hit us too!" As if being systematically terrorised is comparable to being hit occasionally. As if men go to the hospital emergency rooms with broken bones and bloody flesh from being savagely attacked by "the men who love them". What do you think the penalty should be for a man who rapes or batters his wife, James?

Here's a piece I wrote on the subject, in case you haven't seen it. I have lots of contact who know, in grim detail, what FR activists are doing in Australia, and I'll detail their atrocities if you'd like. For now, this, which may also be found *here*. I do personally know a woman in Australia who is an immigrant and her white Aussie ex-hubby battered her and abused their child, and the courts awarded him full custody. It's horrible. The girl-child wants to be with the mother.

The Heart of Justice, for a wonderful woman, also a loving mother, fighting for justice for herself, her daughter, and women and children throughout Australia

 [image is from here]

This was written for a newsletter put forth by an organisation
working to make custody decisions in Australia 
centered on what is in the best interests for children, 
based on principles of justice and compassion, 
not in service to abusive husbands and fathers. 

Here is the link to that organisation: www.safety4parentsandkids.org.au
 

The Heart of Justice
by Julian Real, copyrighted 2010. All rights reserved.

Men have asked over the centuries a question that, in their hands, ironically becomes abstract: "What is reality?" They have written complicated volumes on this question. The woman who was a battered wife and has escaped knows the answer: reality is when something is happening to you and you know it and can say it and when you say it other people understand what you mean and believe you. That is reality, and the battered wife, imprisoned alone in a nightmare that is happening to her, has lost it and cannot find it anywhere.
The issue concerning men's unearned rights and unjust male ownership of women and children is one which continues to exist not only in Australia, the US, and the UK but also the Scandinavian countries. Increasingly, there is a pernicious patriarchal myth that children must have regular contact with their violent fathers/stepfathers. Family court systems refuse to accept that the male partner who commits violence against the female partner cannot be viewed as an appropriate 'parent' when it concerns the welfare of the children. Male supremacist thinking is that issue of violent male partners is separate to the issue of 'the same violent men being granted contact/guardianship of the child/children.'
The dangerous and sometimes deadly belief is that in a household wherein the man commits violence against his female partner, this domination supposedly does not impact on the child's/children's welfare. This is partly due to the unquestioned presumption of public and private male dominance. Even worse, despite efforts to make international legislation concerning the rights of children more just and humane, this harmful impact is commonly ignored; the 'rights of the violent male partner' supersede the rights of the child/children not to be subjected to male violence. Contact with violent fathers is seen as vital because of this misogynist myth that children need the abusive 'male role model in their lives'. We must not question 'violent man's suitability' since mere fact he is male is prioritised over everything other factor. The effects of violence and the rights of children, hand in hand, go ignored. The mother--’the female role model in their lives’--is constantly subjected to the most minute, discriminating sexist male-centered scrutiny concerning their suitability to parent their child/children. Male sex right over children always trumps women's and children's right not to be forced to live or have contact with violent, manipulative, self-obsessed men.
-- Jennifer Drew, UK Feminist Activist and Researcher Challenging Male Violence Against Women

In countries which have national laws that impact people globally, across class, race, ethnicity, and gender what is the moral and political obligation of such a country’s legislative bodies and criminal justice systems to understand, empathically, the experiences of those most marginalised, most disempowered, and most harmed? If laws center the experiences of the most privileged and powerful, the people with the most financial access to those legal systems, and the people with the least likelihood of being arrested due to social position and political clout, what is the impact on those with the lowest social position and the least political clout?

Cases flash before my eyes. A mother appeals to the court to prevent the man who regularly raped her from having custody of the children he also sexually abuses. The court doesn’t believe her that he repeatedly raped her because she’s his wife and finds inconclusive evidence of him having abused his children. Because the court determines her to be a liar they award sole custody to the man who then goes on to sexually assault his children until they leave home. A woman fights for her children’s rights to be free of the man who has terrorised all of them, sometimes with fists, sometimes throwing objects, sometimes with verbal assaults that cut as swiftly as a sharp knife. Or, on the gentler side of things, a man seeks psychological control and power over his family and his spouse decides she wants more out of life for herself and her children than to be dominated in this way. She leaves, with her children. He sues her for custody because he wants her back. The children are less important to him. I knew this father who pretended to want custody to care for his children when all he really sought was to have more abusive access and control over the children’s mother. The mother told me that was his sole motivation. I wanted to believe he was more complex than that, more humane. He wasn’t. He lost his custody case and has done very little to keep in contact with his children, now grown, although he was not legally or otherwise restricted in his ability to contact or visit with them. He lost control of his first wife so he married another woman and had two more children. So much for his court-pleaded desire to raise the first two.

There are so many cases of men using the unjust while socially real power they have to oppressively regulate the lives of women they love, hate, or regard merely as a pawn in their sadistic mental chess game called life. (He may tout that she is The Queen who holds all the power. Sometimes he actually believes his own grand delusions of political impotence.) When seen collectively and compassionately the cases, sorted and stacked, cease being anecdotal and instead reveal patriarchal patterns of men terrorising women and children, using any and all means available to them to attempt to regain the forms of control and dominance that usually escalates with little to no intervention. Misogynist violence is minimised by society generally--or normalised, or naturalised. It is blamed on women; it is seen as a weakness in men, a cause for concern and pity. Perhaps therapy will help (him).

In most cases men’s sexual violence against women can and will be ignored altogether. Most battered women remain silent. Most raped women never speak about it. Most girls violated by their fathers are too afraid to say anything for years, if at all. In my own family of origin, virtually all the female members are survivors of abuse from men in the family. None of them prosecuted. None of them ever accused the perpetrator of assault. The lie is that women make false allegations against men about battery, rape, and incest. The truth is that most women are silent, sometimes due to being killed, sometimes due to taking their own lives to escape the present or past horror and pain. Those that survive and build up the courage to speak out, to confront, to challenge the wrongs of his rights and the legitimacy of his entitlements are seen as scornful and uppity. A woman who publicly challenges a man’s ability to do what he wants and not be accountable to anyone--which is usually how it goes--is presented socially as someone who doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Confused. Irrational. She may speak; but being believed is another matter altogether. Remember: he defines and authors reality; she cannot. That’s how he wants it and that is, too often, how the courtroom sees it.

The reality presented before a judge or a jury is tightly bound to male supremacist beliefs and attitudes, values and practices that do to women what men do to women: make them seem incapable of telling the truth about their own experiences. He’ll do just fine with a misogynist attorney appealing to the court’s patriarchal sympathies. She will need extensive outside verification: corroboration, reports, findings. Compounding the problem is the reality that child welfare and social service agencies are often so underfunded and understaffed that they must pick and choose which cases they can investigate.

My hearts breaks when I learn of yet another case where men are allowed to abuse their children and torture their ex-wives. What I feel vacillates between despair and outrage. Girls and boys are being ordered by court into the homes of their abusive fathers rather than their caring mothers because the fathers have social status and political power, not because they are the best parents. Custody may be determined based on the father having economic stability when a mother is poor for having spent years raising children and finally leaving him without his blessing or access to the financial portfolio he filled because she took care of the family from home, out of love, not for money.

What is horrifying is learning what happens when a woman leaves an abusive man. A woman who worked in the medical field as a technician, assisting a male doctor I’d seen for years, suddenly wasn’t around. I inquired about her absence. Co-workers looked down. I felt dread. They quietly told me she’d been killed by her ex-boyfriend. I felt sick. Only a month or two ago she was with him and alive. Now she was away from him and dead. That’s quite a high price to pay for deciding to be single. The newspapers reported him saying “I realised she wouldn’t come back and I couldn’t bear the thought of her being with another man.” His lethally jealous, irrational rage betrays his truth claim; it’s not like she had the chance. Let’s be thankful they didn’t have children because they likely would have been raised by the man who murdered their mother.

This is more than wrong. It is immoral and unacceptable because it is preventable destruction of human life presented as acceptable and fair by men’s lawyers and patriarchal judiciaries allegedly empowered to protect the vulnerable and the harmed from such abuses. Instead laws and courtrooms conspire to do just the opposite--adding promise to a husband’s threats and force to his fist.

The fact that men dominate, control, and regulate every institution in society is somehow missed when the legal lens focuses in on particular cases argued with spurious logic by attorneys well-paid by selfish and sadistic men. With increasing vigor and determination, Father’s Rights groups are attempting to misuse questionable facts to make it appear that women have all the control and only want more and with that presumed power they only want one thing: to punish the men who hurt them. If that’s how the world really worked the medical technician would be alive today and her ex-boyfriend would be dead. Men’s capacity to project onto women what they themselves feel and do is astoundingly, acidly hallucinogenic and horrifyingly effective in accomplishing their goals of continued dominance.

Centuries of documented despicable patriarchal violence by men against women and children is conveniently kept out of view when the hostile fathers’ attorneys build bogus cases against the women who loved them and were compelled to leave them when unable to endure their hatred and hostility. Wicked is a word applied to step-mothers and women generally. Not to men who have demonstrated a willingness to be wicked in ways women have never been, not necessarily because they lacked the cause. But women’s rage is institutionally impotent while simultaneously demonised. Men’s rage, however, is systemically existent and institutionally enforced. His rage cannot be demonic because he’s always entitled to it as a human quality. Law tries to curb its uglier expressions, but for him to be enraged, in and of itself, is no crime at all. When women rage, they are portrayed as many things--none of them especially human.

Misogynistic Men's Rights Groups are organising to do what they do best: spread woman- and child-hating, utterly self-serving and self-centered portraits of themselves as the Fathers Who Always Know Best. Online and off, they distribute distortions about their own children's testimony against them and about the caricatured characters of their ex-wives, who are, after all, the mothers of their children. The pain she allegedly caused him, actually generated by his own commitment to control and conquest, is played up to epic proportions. He suffers; therefore he is victimised by her, not by inflicting his own inhumanity against her. Meanwhile, her pain, from his outbursts and his beatings, is downplayed, denied completely, or blamed on her decision to stay with him. When are men not socially responsible for their own violent behavior? When the recipient of them is a woman.

His abuses may be emotional, psychological, physical, or sexual. Some may be public but most are expressed privately against the wife and kids, intentionally hidden from public scrutiny so as to maintain his social standing as “a good man”. Because of a socially ingrained sexist assumption that men speak both with greater authority and more accuracy in society-at-large, fictional tales can be promulgated by these male supremacist men and their adoring attorneys who are never paid to be truthful, only convincing.

Consider the following assessments made by a loving father and husband I know who has been studying the contours and conceits of sexist men’s stories. What follows are excerpts on myths about domestic violence, researched and compiled by the sociological specialising on gender violence, Dr. Michael Flood, from Fact Sheet #2: The Myth of Women’s False Accusations of Domestic Violence and Rape and Misuse of Protection Orders.

Myth:
Women routinely make up allegations of domestic violence and rape, including to gain advantage in family law cases. And women use protection orders to remove men from their homes or deny contact with children.

Reality:
●     The risk of domestic violence increases at the time of separation.
●     Most allegations of domestic violence in the context of family law proceedings are made in good faith and with support and evidence for their claims.
●     Rates of false accusations of rape are very low.
●     Women living with domestic violence often do not take out protection orders and do so only as a last resort.
●     Protection orders provide an effective means of reducing women’s vulnerability to violence.

Reality:
Separated women are at elevated risk of violence by men, whether physical, sexual, or lethal,  relative to women in intact unions (Brownridge, 2006), and women are at risk of increasingly severe violence when separating from violent partners (Riggs et al., 2000). The risk of post-separation violence decreases with the passage of time since separation, and is greatest in the first two or three months after the commencement of the separation, at least from homicide data. [...]

Reality:
Further situational variables influence post-separation violence. Leaving a marital or cohabiting relationship or trying to leave it increases women’s changes of being physically or sexually assaulted especially if they are connected to men with patriarchal and/or sexually proprietary attitudes (DeKeseredy et al., 2004). Women are at greater risk of post-separation violence if they are more ‘available’ for victimisation: if they live in the same city as their former partner, and at riskier times such as court appearances and exchanges of or visits to children (Brownridge, 2006). The presence of a new partner can be either a risk or a protective factor, as can children. For example, joint custody may become an opportunity for conflict and violence, may increase opportunities for violence at visitation and the exchange of children, and children may be used as tools for violence by abusive men (Brownridge, 2006). [...]

The Australian evidence is that protection orders provide an effective means of reducing women’s vulnerability to violence. An early study in New South Wales found that the vast majority of complainants experienced a reduction in violence and abuse from the defendant in the six months after the order was served on the defendant, and over 90 per cent reported that the order had produced benefits such as reduced contact with the defendant and increased personal safety and comfort (Trimboli & Bonney, 1997). Finally, research among young women aged 18 to 23 and subjected to violence by intimate partners found that “preventive strategies for young women at the early stage of a relationship can eliminate, or at least reduce, physical violence by a partner” (Young et al., 2000, p. 5). The severity of violence was reduced after legal protection, but the benefit was not as marked unless women sought help from the courts as well as the police.

Mothers are desperately awaiting the feel of their sons and daughters arms around them, finally out of the psychological and physical grip of their patriarchal parent. So let’s get to the heart of the matter. Women are socially and legally disadvantaged in life and in law due to men's jurisdiction over each. The sexist beliefs and attitudes that are foundational to men's violence against women and children are supported, not exposed, not challenged, not remedied, when judges and juries carry those same beliefs and attitudes into the courtroom. This effectively ensures that at the end of the day, male supremacists win, patriarchal power is bolstered, and abusive fathers and husband regain control and custody. Women lose credibility, if not courage. They lose faith that justice is fair and unbiased. Mothers and children lose trust and hope in systems that are supposed to protect and defend their human rights to not be dominated and violated. More heart-breaking still is the loss of mothers and children’s irreplaceable relationships to each other. They are legally and forcibly separated for months, years, and sometimes forever. This is not justice. This is the tyranny of unearned patriarchal privilege ruling justice systems.

Some of these fathers have controlled, dominated, manipulated, violated, subordinated, raped, and battered the children’s mothers secretly, others have done so in front of the children, also to them, but none of this is appreciably and appropriately factored into who gets custody when parents separate and divorce due to domestic violence. Why are men being given visitation rights to children they abuse? Why is a man who batters his children’s mother being given full custody when the children need to be safely with her, and they all need reliable protection from him? With official rulings such as these, one wonders: where is the heart in justice?

If our choices rest between a woman who has been harmed significantly by a husband’s abuse but who is still standing and speaking out, naming him as the perpetrator of that harm, the best parent available to the children ought never be the abuser. Even if he is rich and she is poor.

The fact of him being male ought not be reason to grant him access to family members he has terrified. Being male doesn’t preclude being a good parent but being an abusive husband and father always does--definitionally--if reality is allowed to be defined by the harmed, that is. Being an abusive husband in a home where there are children means you are unequivocally an abusive father also. To believe otherwise is to deny children have human feelings. To believe otherwise is to deny that everyone in a home with domestic violence is impacted negatively by that violence. We know this is the case with alcoholic homes. We know this about families where there is rampant drug abuse. The same is true in any home with children where misogyny is expressed by domineering men who psychologically control and terrorise women. Whether he appears kind or callous to his children, the fact of him systematically subordinating their mother to his will, regardless of how he directly treats the children, ought to be sufficiently substantiating evidence he ought not parent them.

Overwhelmingly, by all accounts, it is males, not females, who use brutal force, bone-breaking force causing bodies to bleed and faces to bruise beyond recognition. These male supremacist traumas are not only physical. Men humiliate and degrade women with sarcastic ridicule and caustic contempt. Men’s attitudes and entitlements, both interpersonal and institutional, reveal their behavior, their actions, are aimed at women because they are female.

No child is safe when home is a war zone. Ought the safety and care of children and the humanitarian well-being of women be more centrally valued in society and in law than preserving a detrimental father-child relationship when determining where and with whom children will best be raised? If a husband and father has demonstrated his ability to terrorise and dominate other human beings “in his care”, why doesn’t the courtroom see this as just cause to award sole custody of children to the mother, without visitation by the predator?

This would be an absurdly unnecessary thing to say except that it is not routinely believed: criminal terrorists ought not be made legal guardians of those they terrify. Findings of post-traumatic stress due to threats and violence, and symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome due to degradation and domination exacted against the wills and beings of mothers and children ought not be ignored, understated, or deemed irrelevant when custody rulings are rendered in any court of law that calls itself just and humane.


Sources for some of the content above:

Saturday, May 21, 2011

George Takei's response to the Tennessee, USA "Don't Say Gay!" bill



So, if we can't say "Gay", can we say "Lesbian"? And if we can't say Gay or Lesbian, can we say "Bi"? I'd love to see them try and regulate the use of that word.

Hmmmm. Saying "good-bye" would take on a whole new meaning.

Maybe we can finally get the homophobic slur, "That's so gay!" cleared from school hallways and playgrounds. Yeah, let's do what George is suggesting. Please buy your t-shirt or button in time for your city's Pride Celebration. And then we can watch anti-gay/anti-lesbian fascistic white Christian harassers try and ban the word "Takei".

image is from here

I'll mention that I'm concerned the replacement phrase could get used in some very white places where sensitivity to racism regarding Japanese-American and Japanese people is low to non-existent. I think The Vapors really fucked up with their one-hit wonder, Turning Japanese. This whole campaign could "go there".

Lesbian news reporter and commentator Rachel Maddow, has declared this "the best new thing!" And she may be right. We'll see. Personally, I'm for replacing the word "gay" when used that way with the term "het".

And, I love George Takei's very clever forms of activism for LGBTIA people. Yay, George!!!!

Friday, April 8, 2011

Yet Another White Het Male Supremacist Doesn't Get It. This One, named Jed Brandt, is on the Radical Left. Not the Radical Feminist Left. The Radical Whiteboy Left. Big Diff.

image of Jed Brandt is from here

This post is about this question: To engage or not to engage?

There is a theory out there, promoted by a man named Jed Brandt, below, that if only we talked enough, and discussed things enough on the terms he puts forth, things like oppression wouldn't exist. I happen to disagree. I believe that wresting corrupt power from the human hands and inhumane systems of patriarchy, racism, and heterosexism, among other forms of oppressive power, is what's called for and this is both an interpersonal project and a larger, systemic process. Patriarchal, racist, and heterosexist power is held by those who misuse and abuse it. And taking power away from those who abuse it in many forms needs to happen. This process includes dismantling the institutions, systems, and social structures which keep that power in place, is what is needed. It also means negotiating when and how to engage with the individual abusers of power.

One of those social structures is prevalent on facebook and many other internet sites that welcome something alleged to be dialogue: men coming into conversations and deciding how things should get discussed--setting everyone else "straight", so to speak. It is a liberal conceit that more talking = more social change towards a more humane world. I think more organised resistance to oppressors and their civilisations = more social change towards a more humane world. Big diff.

Jed, below, is critical of what he terms "identity politics", a theory which, at least to my way of thinking, holds that people occupy political positions socially and interpersonally, intimately and structurally. This view holds that power isn't just in those big bad institutions, but is also possessed, or handed to classes of people, or taken from them materially and in other ways, based on things like the individuals' gender, race, and sexuality.

The end conclusion to this view isn't that everyone who is white has more power than everyone who isn't. Or that each man has more power than every individual woman. Or that each straight man abuses more children and adults than does every bi or gay man.

The conclusion is that power is held in the construction and maintenance of the identities, as they are political, social, structural, institutionalised systems that partly show up in the behaviors of people--behaviors that are promoted and acted out because they either garner status and lessen stigma, or do the opposite: so het men are patriarchally encouraged to fuck around, and gay men and any women who do the same are called sl*ts and wh*res or h*s.

These political, not natural, identities, in other words, carry socially embedded expectations and political proscriptions for how to behave towards others. The behaviors enforce and uphold the larger institutions, and support the values and practices embedded in those institutions.

Not every individual has to behave the same way but classes of people must follow some rules so the systems don't fall apart. So, while not all het men need to rape women, all het men have to protect het male rapists, and rape as a form of male warfare against women and girls, in one way or another. Not all whites need to be Racist Nationalists, but all whites need to protect the power that whites have over and against people of color, internationally. And so on. There's not a monopoly on power as much as there's a system which makes sure that the power to abuse and kill with abandon and no accountability only falls into certain hands, generally. Increasing amounts of power are hoarded by rich men, however. And in North America, the UK, and Australia, most of the rich men are white, and heterosexual. Jed would like us to believe that's accidental. I think there's nothing at all accidental about it.

A few women, and one man, Phil, below, attempt to set Jed "straight" on this. But Jed isn't listening to anyone but himself.

If you believe as Jed does, we can spend the rest of our lives arguing with him and the likes of him (the "likes" of him being a facebook pun), and never get anywhere. And I'd rather work with other activists who get it that WHM supremacy, in combo or just the W, the H, or the M supremacists, is and are the problems that perpetuates atrocities against oppressed peoples, along with capitalism, imperialism, corporate christianity, and state militarism, all of which are run by men--het men primarily.

Where Jed takes this conversation is, in my experience, to typically argumentative and otherwise silly places. In his case he takes them into bizarrely homophobic and racist places too.

I'd like to thank the women--not named below because I don't have their permission to use their names, for their voices. And I'd like to thank the voice of Phil N. Molé too. These voices demonstrate resistance to oppressive mindsets that actually do manifest in non-mental, material, social realities.

On facebook, I asked this:
What will it take to get men to realise that rich and white and het men rule this world, against everyone else? And that everyone else will have to work together, not fighting each other, to end all this CRAP?
Sunday

[woman's name removed by me] Yep, the codified language. I've been fighting some men of color lately on this very issue. *sigh* As a WOC, it's frustrating. Thanks, Juian!

Jed Brandt Last I checked, "het" men hardly have a monopoly on power. The idea that homosexuality is somehow transgressive of authoritarian power dynamics is not only wrong — it is utterly ahistorical. I live in NYC, and to be blunt: the gay neighborhoods are among the richest places on the planet. They are entitled, and are hardly simply "white". 
Sunday at 7:23pm

    • Jed Brandt Yes, let's end systems of oppression. Let's also not act as if heterosexuality is the problem. Or as if men desiring women is itself a form of abuse. Or as if patriarchy is simply (or even mainly) something men do to women.
      Sunday at 8:04pm

      [name removed by me] the destruction of bullshit "masculinity". It all stems from this.

    • Sunday at 9:25pm

    • Jed Brandt true that, in as much as it stems from any one thing.
      Sunday at 9:27pm

    • Julian Real
      Jed, perhaps because you're a het guy, you're not in the best position to determine the oppressiveness of heterosexuality, hmm? Let me tell you: heterosexism is brutal, and lethal too, in ways heterosexuality and heterosexism isn't to het men. So, you can accept that or ignore it--you surely have the privilege and entitlement to do either and both. As for your comment about one tiny neighborhood in NYC: howsabout we examine the global scene? How many countries are ruled by gay men? How many multinationals? How many media conglomerates? How many oil companies? How many social institutions are ruled by gay men? Het men rule, Jed, whether you want to accept it or not. That I even have to argue this point seems a bit absurd, to be honest. It's like arguing about whether we live in a white supremacist or Black supremacist society. Or whether we live in a matriarchy or a patriarchy. Answer: white supremacist patriarchy--heterosexist to the core.

      Sunday at 11:43pm

    • Jed Brandt If you think heterosexuality, white people, men, etc are the problem — that literally being of european descent, having a penis that (like many penises likes vaginas), or in any other way being a part of a dominant grouping is itself the problem — then you how is it you think things could ever get better?
      Monday at 11:53am

    • Jed Brandt And if you think someone who lives in Brooklyn can't begin to understand New Jersey...
      Monday at 11:53am

    • Phil N. Molé
      Jed, last I checked, heterosexism wasn't the same thing as heterosexuality. Hererosexuality is a sexual preference, while heterosexism is the idea that this sexual preference is the only valid one, and that everyone who doesn't conform to it is aberrant. Heterosexism and its expression through homophobia, transphobia, etc. is one of the main ways gender roles and essentialist nonsense ideas about gender and sexual identity are enforced, and it's a major component of misogyny as well. So if you do want to end oppression, heterosexism really is one of the major things we have to address, along with the fact that heterosexuality, whiteness and the accident of being born male confer unearned privileges at the expense of others.

      Monday at 12:04pm

    • Julian Real
      Jed, you're smarter than you're appearing to be in this thread. I hope. You know damned well that organised resistance and revolution is needed by the oppressed against the oppressor. And who is YOUR oppressor, Jed? Is it a system--one syst...em? Which one? Capitalism? Is it the same oppressor as mine, or women's, or that of people of color? And, might those of us who know what it is to be on the receiving end of the arrogance and ignorance of the privileged have a better idea of the problems and the solutions than, say, those who keep their heads out of the troubles the rest of us face every day?

      Monday at 12:11pm

    • Julian Real Try listening more and speaking less, Jed.
      Monday at 12:11pm

    • Jed Brandt How about we encourage people to speak more on general principle?
      Monday at 12:11pm

    • Julian Real How about you stop defining the terms in which people engage on issues of oppression and resistance?
      Monday at 12:13pm 

    • Jed Brandt
      I don't understand the method, Julian. That's why I entered your discussion. Why would that be bad? Isn't engagement good and defining the limits of a discussion a way of handicapping where we can take ideas? We don't need limits on what we... can and can't think. We don't need less talking, but deeper discussion, especially of ideas that challenge those systems of oppression. Let us wish there were millions of white men who like women that took this up!

      I don't think for a second that being on the receiving end of oppression infers any special ability in understanding how to solve that problem. Or that lived experience is not sharable. Or that social category defines the limits what 'others' can or can't understand. Or that engaging in discussion is (itself) a form of domination through "naming". No. These are all the ways in which solidarity is denied in what I've seen (for many years) as an endless cycle of finger-pointing towards (whoever) is privileged. Privileges can be entitlements. They can also be capacities. Most systems of oppression involve not what is done TO the oppressed, but all the ways in which we implicate ourselves, acculturate our children and accept the terms we have been given. Put another way, patriarchy isn't something men do to women, even where "men doing to women" is a major component of how it functions.

      People in much of the world thought the earth was the center of the universe because this is where we looked out at the stars from. The Copernican revolution opened the world to science in a different way — that we must understand the universe in its relationships, not simply how it "feels" to the viewer, uniquely, at any given point of observation. That copernican revolution in social relations could also be called socialism. And it won't be the sum total of resentments, but new forms of agency and capacity.

      If heterosexuality itself (or "men") is taken as "the" problem — you will never achieve the broad epiphanies necessary for men and women to remake our terms.

      Monday at 12:32pm




    • [woman's name removed by me]
      Because that is what white het males have been doing for centuries. It is not the province of the privileged ...to define the terms in which non-privileged people engage on issues of their own oppression and resistance, that is patently absurd.

      Monday at 1:01pm

    • Jed Brandt
      Theory of General Relativity = "White Het Male Domination By Definition..."

      Or do ideas have validity (truth/veracity/pragmatic value) aside from who holds them? Is "being oppressed" the measure of what is true? That seems like a slave mentality itself allergic to freedom.

      Identity politics... Apparently Nazis, Hindutva fanatics, Zionists and so on are correct in their understanding of social organization. They are just bad because they are privileged. And the world has never seen solidarity, fraternity, love.

      Nope. It's all identity, no reality — and no future!

      Monday at 1:29pm

    • [woman's name removed by me]
      Will be back to this conversation later tonight, but wanted to add something I think is very cogent: http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/
      Monday at 3:13pm

    • [woman's name removed by me]
      I think you are confused about what we are saying Jed. It is not that heterosexual white males of inherently oppressive; there is nothing biologically predetermined in that. Under different social circumstances, perhaps that group would be ...the underprivileged oppressed group, there are infinite variations on this theme and it changes depending on context. But if we are going to talk about what --in fact-- happens to be the case of our current situation, then we simply must acknowledge that yes, white het males are the privileged class and at the top of the hierarchy. There is nothing against white het males in themselves (ipso facto) in the acknowledgment of that reality. It is not inevitable that white het males dominate; but as it happens, that is the case today, in this reality. That is what we are talking about. Denying that would just be to deny reality.

      Monday at 4:22pm

    • Jed Brandt
      We do not live in a feudal world, where "privilege" is synonymous with power. Quite the contrary. Not in Afghanistan where gay warlords take boy concubines. Not in the neighborhoods I grew up in where rich (largely liberal) gays took their ...pick of runaways to chickenhawk. Not with the "double income, no kids" gentrification brigades. Money is power. It is the direct ability to compel others to do your bidding on the clock — regardless of whether they like you. African-Americans in NYC have the "privilege" of both citizenship and clean drinking water, which on a global scale is almost incomparable. Reducing discussion to identity politics will reduce anyone who adopts this method into endless resentments and retreat — into telling others to "be quiet" instead of building new ways of being.

      I can't be the only person in this discussion who has experienced that. Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but it seems very much like Julian believes men liking women is inherently predatory and abusive, or that white men who don't adopt the axioms of identity politics are backward regardless of what else they think, do or intend. And rich white gay men are not oppressed in America. They are among the most privileged people on the planet. Five minutes in the fashion industry should clarify that issue.

      Monday at 6:16pm

    • Jed Brandt Polish peasants hated "privileged" Jews. That worked out great...
      Monday at 6:17pm

    • Jed Brandt And Polish Jewish Zionists asserting their victimhood did a real bang up job when loosed on Palestine...
      Monday at 6:18pm

    • Jed Brandt Colin Powell exists.
      Monday at 6:18pm

    • Jed Brandt This is an important discussion.
      Monday at 6:20pm

    • [woman's name removed by me]
      From about 5 or 6 remarkably and belligerently asinine things you just ejaculated, I have come to the conclusion that no amount of engagement with you will change what are apparently your completely warped views of the world. I.e., you = closed mind. I'm out.
      Monday at 7:26pm

    • Julian Real Jed, you're a homophobe. Among other things. You're not welcome to post comments on any discussion threads I start, including from here on in with this one. Got it? Don't answer that. That'll show me that you get it.
      Monday at 7:37pm