Tuesday, June 29, 2010

SEXISM-IN-ACTION, Part 2: "The Masculist Bachelor" Andrão. NOTE: "masculist" means misogynist

Andrão Brasileiro Fanático

aka "The Masculist Bachelor"

This quote is one of his status updates from June 24th:

Truth is like spicy hot sauce;
some people like it on their food, even though it
burns them a bit when they ingest it,
and other people just can't stomach the hot sauce,
so they prefer to eat their food without it.
- Andrae Williams

This story will come together as you read along. The middle of the story is *here, in this recent post*. The content below tells more of the beginning and some of the end of the story, to date.

Here's the history between him and Aganju. They had some exchange privately. Then he posted something anti-feminist/anti-Aganju/anti-woman. She then turned her back to him and walked out of his sorry sexist life. We may note how he's checked out her photos, commented on many of them, and has read a lot about her and summarised what she's said about herself. And he has the audacity to call me a stalker? In his homophobic dreams.

Here's his "pre-misogyny" correspondence to Aganju:

From Aganju to me:

These are 2 emails he sent me when were still cool that show he didn't think views were extreme and pretended to be understanding. Notice how I wasn't a crazy man hater before I blocked him? And this was after he READ & SUMMERIZED ALL MY NOTES!

Andrão Brasileiro Fanático June 21 at 11:10pm Report
By the way..your notes hilarious...lol...and witty at the same time...totally understand where you're coming from on each issue...

Andrão Brasileiro Fanático June 23 at 12:58pm Report
Picky is good. Shows that you know EXACTLY what you are looking for in a person. I get accused of being too picky sometimes too, but, ask me if i give a fuck...÷)

And i basically went thru your whole page when i first added you, so i know that:

1) You dont want kids ever, and you're tired of people (especially black women) viewing you as a second class citizen because u dont.

2) You hate faux male feminists.

3) You hate hiphop because hiphop hates you (women).

4) You hate Michael Eric Dyson and you think he is a sexist pig.

5) Your views are NOT up for debate.

6) You are a feminist and NOT THE FUN KIND (what does that mean by the way?)

...i know where you stand. We're cool. ÷)

*          *          *
Next, his antifeminism comes to the surface.

His status update is a dig at a phrase well-utilised by Aganju referenced by Andrão in point 6 above, which comes from a famous comment by the white Jewish radical feminist Andrea Dworkin, "I'm a radical feminist, not the fun kind". See, for example, *here*.

Note: "Masculist" is a synonym for "misogynist" in the same way that men calling women "misandrists" is code for the truth that the men who use that term are antifeminists." Why don't men who are misogynists and antifeminists just come out of the damn closet and SAY SO? Because "misogynist" and "antifeminist" are WOMEN's terms. And men don't want to be tainted, stigmatised, and made more politically impotent in the homosocially approving eyes of their male brethren by having their identities tarnished by what women say men are (that men are, because women notice it and say it).

Andrão Brasileiro Fanático

Andrão Brasileiro Fanático is a masculist, and NOT THE FUN KIND.

June 22 at 12:42pm · ·
Cassandra Dea
Cassandra Dea
How so? And what's the fun kind?
June 22 at 3:23pm ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Lol....the last part is an inside joke...but i am a masculist in that i think the legal system in regards to marriage, divorce, and child custody proceedings are skewed in favour of women...that needs to change.
June 22 at 3:31pm ·
Leon Norway
Leon Norway
Exactly!
June 22 at 3:40pm ·
Leon Norway
Leon Norway
I wont say I am not for feminism. Just depends on what kinda feminism we are talking about. I do not kiss women's asses and I don't make excuses for men, either. I am an equalist!
June 22 at 6:38pm ·


(Don't get me started on "equalist". Western men are either supportive of feminism or they're antifeminist. That's the choice, men.)

In Andrão's history of looking at Aganju's Facebook images, he had posted several comments under photos. From his FB page:
RECENT ACTIVITY
Andrão commented on Aganju Axe's photo.
Andrão commented on Aganju Axe's photo.
Andrão commented on Aganju Axe's photo.
Those three comments, and two others, read as follows (from Aganju's FB page):
 
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Awesome dress..love it.
June 25 at 2:25am · · Flag
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Interesting style you got there. :)
June 25 at 2:24am · · Flag

Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Linda negra mulher...÷)
June 23 at 4:00pm · · 1 person · Flag
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
The one common trait that ALL women seem to have: a love of shopping..lol
June 22 at 11:20am · · Flag

Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Thanks for the add fellow Jamaican freethinker. Welcome. :)
June 21 at 4:14pm · · 1 person · Flag


I call him "The Masculist Bachelor" because his behaviors remind me of something I saw on TV tonight, on a show called "The Bachelorette". As I'm sure you know (wink--or not), white "bachelorette" Ali has narrowed down the good white guys to about a half-dozen, down from around 25. In this competition/romance/reality show, there have been some losers, in more than one sense.

I maintain it is impossible to find true love while being filmed constantly and placed in utterly "unrealistic" situations. The successful marriage stats of those who meet and fall in love on this show bear out this claim. This is ABC exploiting people who, yes, are willing to be exploited. I don't doubt the sincerity of anyone going on this show, only their naivete at believing this is the way to meet someone to marry. But hell, they get to travel a lot, and be treated wonderfully, and while this show has shown itself to only be willing to pay for white het people to find romance among the ratings, which usually ends up on the rocks, it is what it is. I watch it, for goodness sakes, so I'm not one in the best position to take this show too much to task.

I want to offer for your viewing displeasure a clip of this week's show, which aired tonight. It's under five minutes long. Issues of men's dishonesty to women and lack of accountability are all packed into the first half hour, rather blatantly and dramatically. But the video is Ali's final challenge to Justin about honesty and integrity.

Here's what you need to know just happened:

The Bachelorette cut straight to the rumors in tonight's episode by immediately revealing to Ali Fedotowsky that Justin, the "Rated-R" entertainment wrestler has not one, but two girlfriends back home, and even included a personal call from one of the women.

Bachelorette host Chris Harrison promptly interrupted the start of the Turkey episode with the big news.
"There's something I do need to tell, something has come to our attention," Chris Harrison said, saying that he producers had received a call from Jessie, a girl who was on the previous season of "The Bachelor" with Ali. "She gave us some information that is legit. I checked it out."

They placed a call from Turkey to Jessie, in Toronto, Canada, and she explained that Justin was no good.
"One of the guys there has a girlfriend, and that's Justin," Jessie said.

"How do you know this?" Ali asked.

"Cause I'm sitting with his girlfriend right now," Jessie said. "Her name is Jessica."

And then she handed the phone to Justin's girlfriend for a tearful rendition of how they collaborated to get Justin on the show to benefit his wrestling career.

"Me and Justin have been dating for the past two years now. He assured me that he would come back and we would be together, and finally get our plans together to get married," Jessica told Ali.

"I helped him buy suits. I helped him get head shots. I really didn't want to do this from the beginning. The fact that you could potentially choose him to be your husband... and then what?"

Jessica also found out that Ali wasn't the only one getting conned.

"A couple days after he left, I found out he had a girlfriend for the past two months. This is really really hard for me to talk about. I don't know what else to say Ali, I'm sorry."

Ali seemed stunned, but relieved. Then she turned angry.

"Justin was acting the entire time he was here," Ali said. "Everything he said was basically a lie. He was so sweet and so nice. He said 'I'm here for the right reasons' so many times. What a jerk. I'm just pissed."
[source: *here*]

Justin's a liar, a fraud, and has gone onto the show to promote himself for the sake of his career and his relationship with the woman back home. He goes on a show that is for men who are open to and interesting in marrying one woman, the "bachelorette" for this year, Ali. She calls his sexist ass out. And you can see how maturely he handles THAT. All this happens in the first half hour.

I believe one of the key means through which het men obtain contact with heterosexual women is by being dishonest, by withholding crucial information about who they are and what they believe, and then when women find out what they ought to have known from the start, many women walk away, appropriately. I believe if women knew the whole truth about men, women wouldn't choose to get to know many of them, and the men know this, and so they lie, they manipulate, they control, in order to obtain contact, proximity, and intimacy founded on their lies.

That more women don't do more damage to the men who are lying jerks is a bit beyond me--Lorde knows men do shit to women for no reason at all. What Ali says about Justin I find to be spot on. I love it when women call men out on their dishonestly. I love having it exposed to the world what lying bastards men can be, and watching men lie through their teeth to defend or further cover up their deceptions. Damn, this is good, except for the fact that this dickwad did, in fact, hurt three women, if not more.

See it here:

I hope this is a big ol' red flag to heterosexually active women generally. When Andrão posted about being a masculist, not the fun kind, he was dissing Aganju, and disrespecting feminism generally. Aganju realised Andrão was a sexist jerk, she said good-bye. He can't take dismissal without resorting to gross forms of public misogyny, accusing her of all manner of things, conspiring with other men to get their misogynist story "straight".

After she exited, he's been showing what an antifeminist and misogynist he really is. He calls me out on speaking on behalf of her, but why doesn't he call himself out on posting misogynist things about her only after she exits his life? Typically, he wants to be free to do whatever he wants, with no accountability, while he'll quickly critique anyone who does exactly as he does them.

A feminist who noticed his misogyny and sexism, Nicki, very respectfully questioned him, noting the sexist double standards at work. He left up her comments to his discussion thread, but at first ignored her and her comments. She called him out on not answering her questions, and he finally offered up some self-serving explanations for his misogynist actions. I called him out after seeing how he was trying to avoid her questions, and he had banned posts by me from the public discussion.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. We have a failure to communicate because he refuses to engage with me publicly, where other people can see and read the exchange and see his tactics for evading accountability. He has communicated to me privately. He presented what were to me, his rather weak arguments for not keeping my critique up on his discussion page, and I did something that I do with men I don't respect: I call them names. Here's that out-of-the-public-eye exchange between us:

As I said before, if you are one of her friends (and it is highly likely that you are), then I will not let someone else do her defending for her. My beef was not with you, so I do not want to "debate" anything with you. You want to call me sexist? Fine. Have at it, because I know what I am and what I am not. Maybe Terry will be up for it, but I won't give into to your ridiculous attempt at calling me out.
Julian Real June 28 at 11:43am
You and your "assumptions". Why don't you debate me on your page on the terms I raise, rather than coming up with lame excuses for not doing so. Do my arguments have merit or not? Can you handle my critique or not? Apparently not. You won't even allow my comments to be read by anyone else! What are you so afraid of? Rather COWARDLY of you, wouldn't you say?
I just checked Aganju's friendslist, and you are indeed a friend of hers. So no assumption here anymore, but fact. You are a "radical pro feminist", meaning that you have your own views solidly imbedded in your mind, also meaning that any "debate" with you is a waste of time, since you believe that your way is truth, and "sexist" men like myself and our views are "typical" and are foolishness.

Call me all the names you want. You will not be allowed to post your radical views on my page, no matter how many names you call me.
Julian Real June 28 at 2:38pm
And that's your response to my challenges? You're a wimp.
A smart wimp who doesn't bow to your immature name-calling.

Goodbye. :)
*          *          *

I know there's a special place in hell for men like me who call men negative names. The names I called him were, if you know anything about me, quite restrained. I called him a "coward"--a term he has used against a Black woman, Aganju, and the term "wimp". Not exactly the harshest language, but not the grounds for forming lasting friendship either. I try and steer clear of using terms like wimp, unless it means W.I.M.P. (see my glossary). I believe he's a coward, a liar, and a misogynist who is not really willing to be accountable to anyone about it. Not Black women, not this one white Jewish guy, and not other Black men. And he is called out by many people.

I'll mention, ever so briefly, his misuse of smiley faces and the term "LOL" on his Facebook page. This is another typical strategy of men behaving as oppressors: for misogynist men it's all just a joke, really it is. I own that I do this too sometimes, sort of as a way to indicate "I'm not furious." Because often, believe it or not, I'm not furious. I'm annoyed and disappointed far more often. So the "lol" is there to ensure the reader that I'm not pissed... at them. But it is used with such frequency by Andrão that it seems to be serving many purposes, and one of them is to be sure he doesn't come across as serious about much, so as not to be taken seriously about what he's doing that is seriously anti-woman.

All he had to do was leave up my challenge to him (see the lower portion of "Part 1"), and, well, respond to the issues raised in it. Instead, he chooses to use the excuse that he wouldn't do so based on me knowing Aganju. This is an interesting argument: this means that misogynists can refuse to be accountable both to feminists and profeminists--if they know each other. If I didn't know her, are we to assume he'd have left up my comments? Well, if someone else wants to ask him the same questions, maybe we'll find out what the truth is.

How utterly convenient to make oneself completely unaccountable to someone just might be able to name the dynamics of what the misogynist is doing. This is a new wrinkle in the patriarchal practice of protecting male entitlements to insult, slander, and degrade women publicly, as he does to Aganju.

I am curious about these methods of patriarchy-protection. I know they are numerous and normal. I seek to identify them, illustrate them, and, when possible, use "real life" examples. So here we are.

Misogynist men routinely deny the realities feminists name. The male misogynists deny it is a reality at all, and they deny any critics the power to name something MEN are doing to WOMEN. Because het men, especially, protect and defend this power to name women's reality with homosocial passion. Het men are homosocially determined to protecting each other's male supremacist entitlements, privileges, and power. There will be exceptions to the rule--hopefully, but the rule is firmly in place, in a patriarchal society. But this is also a white supremacist society.

What does it mean that a white man is calling out a Black man publicly? So far, I haven't seen it arise as an identified issue for Andrão but I'm not in the best position to see if there's a problem here. I know race is never NOT an issue in any interpersonal exchange, including among whites. While Andrão doesn't bring up my race, he does identify my ethnic and sexual identities and social locations. I'd argue, in this case, none of them really are relevant, although, let's face it, white male voices always carry more credibility than voices by men of color. Well, unless the man of color is het and not Jewish and the white man is both. Then it gets a bit trickier as to who has more social status and position, and I think it comes down to context at that point.

This is my analysis about why someone might not challenge the legitimacy of my critique on the grounds that it is white and therefore biased. And I'll state here that I can't know anything at all about what is going on in Andrão's head about this. I don't know, for example, at what point he learned I was gay, Jewish, and white. It may have been well after he deleted my comment. But this I know: Black people in the U.S. are ALWAYS accused by whites, wrongly and racistly, of playing "the race card", as if we whites not only stack that deck, but produce it as well. Whites are the masters, so to speak, of race-card tricks, and let there be no mistake about it.

There was a time when I steered clear of calling out men of color publicly on their sexism and misogyny, as I wondered if doing so was somehow racist. And, for sure, it can be. There are any number of names I could call Andrão that are loaded with social-political meaning that is raced as white supremacist. "Coward" and "wimp", in my experience as a white person who has heard whites call Black people every negative term in the White Supremacist Rule Book, is not high on the list of racially charged terms.

What happened is that my friendships with women of color increased and deepened. And what the women of color in my life have made clear to me is that me not calling out men of color does nothing at all to assist them in their struggles to be free of misogyny and racism. And "alliance" means standing with women, when the misogyny begins to fly, not making excuses for the sexist jerks. This necessitates being able and willing to call out any man if he is being a misogynist. Any man. But not in ways that misuse my power over him due to race privileges. Or any other privileges either.

Andrão brings up me being gay and Jewish at an interesting time in this [lack of] exchange. To me, it shows a need to highlight the places where I don't have institutional/structural power in the U.S., possibly to bring me down a few pegs. Being gay and Jewish places me lower on the intersectional hierarchies of "who is most valued and listened to and validated as having Truth-telling capacity." Were I Black, Jewish, and gay, I'd have even less structural power. Without class privilege, I'd have even less. This is how it works, and I've posted a synopsis of this recently, in the words of someone describing the political/sociological analysis of Patricia Hill Collins. See here for that.

What needs to be noted is how, when men are called out, they duck out of view, find ways to be unaccountable, and lie in order to protect their fictitious and politically self-serving view of reality.

What does me being gay have to do with anything in this situation? What does me being Jewish have to do with anything? I mean I know this guy's a devout Atheist--religiously so--but I'm not religiously Jewish, so there's not even me being an Abrahamic theist for him to critique.

At issue: Andrão deleted my critique of him, not allowing others to read it and reflect on it. So I made sure it saw the light of day. And now there's a special thread just about me (I don't feel honored). But what is it REALLY about? I'd say more it's another diversionary tactic, a sign self-defensiveness, and a belief focusing attention on the messenger will delete the message. Except, well, he's already done that.

He gets to claim I'm stalking him because I'm gay. He's being a homophobic jerk by doing that. Would I be his stalker if I were het? I doubt it. (When will het men realise that not only am I not especially interested in any het men romantically or sexually, but also, I don't find "misogyny" to be an especially attractive quality in men? I had to deal with het male delusions of gorgeous grandeur with MadShangi, who, I'll note, makes Andrão seem like a profeminist by comparison.)

Below is a copy of that brand new thread discussion on his Facebook page about moi, from the following web page:
http://www.facebook.com/andraewilliams?v=wall&story_fbid=134644016553935.

For the record, researching and documenting his homophobia and misogyny isn't "stalking". If he gets to name this as stalking, as other men do, then this is yet one more way to discredit challenges to them. After this thread's comments, I'll offer up some closing thoughts. And after he deleted my comment, I sent it to a few people, including Terry and DaRohn, who I felt ought to see it. I'll applaud, publicly, D. Eric Harmon's concerted effort to hold him accountable to his lies and illogic. You can read for yourself how Andrão deals with this.
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático

Andrão Brasileiro Fanático is being stalked on facebook by a gay, jewish, radical feminist male who thinks I'm a sexist pig...what should I do?



5 hours ago via Mobile Web · ·

-Dakota Hikari Falls-
-Dakota Hikari Falls-
ask him on a date....lmao
5 hours ago ·
Leo Mountcoutia
Leo Mountcoutia
give him my addy let him stalked me lol
5 hours ago ·
Stacey Flournoy
Stacey Flournoy
Lol @ Dakota!
5 hours ago ·
-Dakota Hikari Falls-
-Dakota Hikari Falls-
juss sayin :)
5 hours ago ·
DaRohn Sercey
DaRohn Sercey
I got a message today from him today.
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Leo - His name is Julian Real. Search him on FB...maybe he'll like you...lol..

@Dakota - Hardy har har...very funny..÷)
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@DaRohn - Really? Saying what? lol..
5 hours ago ·
Pete-gaye PrettyLady Stewart
Pete-gaye PrettyLady Stewart
when did you start caring...
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
5 hours ago ·
Leo Mountcoutia
Leo Mountcoutia
hehehe thanks but I was only joking
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Bonnie - Um, what was that?
5 hours ago ·
Pete-gaye PrettyLady Stewart
Pete-gaye PrettyLady Stewart
About what ppl think..
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Pete - I don't. I am just having a good laugh with this guy stalking my page on facebook.
5 hours ago ·
Joanne Martinez
Joanne Martinez
Curse them out!
5 hours ago ·
Elisha Laynette
Elisha Laynette
Block em and fuck em! (not literally) :)
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Bonnie - Well thank you for wanting to protect me, but please do not talk about killing gays on my page. That is taking it too far...ok? ÷)
5 hours ago ·
DaRohn Sercey
DaRohn Sercey
**here's what the message said**

Here's what two sexist guys can't deal with, and so have censored me off Andrao's FB page... typical. They can dish it out, but can't take it! lol

http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2010/06/behold-sexism-in-action-when-men-do-it.html
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Joanne - I took the high road and decided not to, even though he was calling me a "wimp" and a "coward" because i wouldnt debate him..lol..oh well.

@Elisha - I thought about blocking him...i might just do that if he keeps this up..
5 hours ago ·
Pete-gaye PrettyLady Stewart
Pete-gaye PrettyLady Stewart
@ andrae I feel you.. If I were you I would be laughing too.
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Bonnie - I know, but that was taking it too far..i have gay and lesbian friends...so i dont take that as a joke.
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@DaRohn - Yep, thats the guy...he is mad because i wont debate him and his one-sided views...lol.
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Pete - Thank Q...with people like this, you gotta just have fun at their expense, and not let them get under your skin....÷)
5 hours ago ·
Pete-gaye PrettyLady Stewart
Pete-gaye PrettyLady Stewart
preachhhhhh lol oh I forgot you don't like that lol... Tell it or yup..lol
5 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
5 hours ago ·
Samtastic Samz Green
Samtastic Samz Green
oooh you're such a stud montego hahahaha
4 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
4 hours ago ·
D. Eric Harmon
D. Eric Harmon
@Andrao--I read the post you deleted from your original post about the woman you labeled as bipolar and crazy...I for one found his insights and thoughts very salient, and I agreed with almost all of them. I humbly ask you to repost his comments and allow open discussion. By the way, I think that the picture featuring the feminist and the hooters women was a blatant example of sexism. To me, it would be like posting a picture with a progressive black male holding a sign decrying institutional racism with three black-faced minstrels in the back, and then underneath the caption would read: Racism, only uppity niggers complain about it. I also request that you do not delete my post and allow a real discussion to ensue. As a black male who teaches black history and as an atheist who is committed to humanism and social justice, I strongly urge you to consider your decision to delete posts that agree with you...of course this is your page and you have a right to delete anything or anyone you want, so that's why this comes as a humble request. I think this is a discussion worth having, and all views and opinions are needed to gain proper insight.
4 hours ago ·
Samtastic Samz Green
Samtastic Samz Green
lol..i mean you can get guys and girls you should be happy!:D
4 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Eric - I do not only leave posts up that are in agreement with my views. If you truly know the content of my page, then you would know that I debate with Christians here all the time, and, being an atheist myself, they post MANY things that i disagree with. I never delete their posts.

Maybe you missed that part of the blog where i specified WHY this persons comment was deleted. I suggest you go back and read why i did it. It was NOT because i disagreed with what he was saying to me. There was a woman named "Nicki Rivers" who came to my page to debate with me in that same post, and i did not delete any of her comments from my page.

I will keep to my stance, and not let radical close minded feminists bring their bigoted one sided views to my page, because i already know what their thoughts consist of, and they are not open to hearing my side of this issue.

Lastly, the pic was posted for the expressed purpose of providing more fodder for this guy who was stalking my page...i saw the pic on my friends page today (a woman by the way), and decided to post it, to piss him off even more...he can think i am a sexist pig all he wants, and i will continue to joke about it at his expense...
4 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Sam - LOL...i guess?
4 hours ago ·
Samtastic Samz Green
Samtastic Samz Green
lol..well that's my justification for when gays hit on me. "I'm such a stud" hahaha
4 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Well, this guy wasnt hitting on me at all...he is stalking me because he wants a debate...and i wont give it to him...
4 hours ago ·
Samtastic Samz Green
Samtastic Samz Green
Well you're good debate w/ (I'm loving the fact that you're in the middle of a serious convo and I'm breaking it w/ my rubbish hahaha)..Facebook is so political nowadays :D
4 hours ago ·
D. Eric Harmon
D. Eric Harmon
@Andrao--I never accused you of deleting ALL posts that you don't agree with--I am only talking about the one from Julian at this point...I congratulate you that you leave up posts from theists claiming the existence of god in the fashion of open debate, but I also want to congratulate you on allowing Julian the same deference. Again, you can do what you want on your page, of course, but in my opinion (that I know you did not solicit, albeit) I think that Julian's points bring much light to the discussion and deserve to be heard. The woman in question may not be open to hearing your views, but others are, so why not dialogue with them?

As for your explanation for why you posted the pic...I invite you to consider how you would feel if a racist, who denied he was racist but wanted to piss you off, posted an offensive , racist picture. By your response, you KNOW that it is sexist, so are you saying that you would rather piss someone off at the expense of displaying naked sexism, totally disregarding the feelings of woman and men who find it offensive?
4 hours ago ·
D. Eric Harmon
D. Eric Harmon
@Andrao...btw, I am a FB frind of Aganju, and although I do not always agree with everything she writes or how she chooses to express her thoughts, I do agree with almost ALL of her insights on male supremacy and I find her comments refreshing and needed....
3 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Eric - If you had a falling out with someone, and you wanted to find out why the falling out had taken place, would you be ok with a friend of the person you had the falling out with speaking on their behalf? Or would you prefer to speak with them directly?

Secondly, what the person who posted that blog about me failed to show you was the "coward" and "wimp" slurs used by him towards me after i declined to be a punching bag for his bigoted views. I do not engage in debates with people who use ad-hominem attacks against me, period, end of story. He showed his immaturity when he did that, and i refuse to stoop to his level. If he hadn't done that, then I would be more inclined to take your current request to reopen this debate more seriously. I will not do that under HIS terms, but under my own.

I will have a note up soon about this whole ordeal. I will discuss it amongst those on my friends list, including those who disagree with what I did, such as yourself. This radical feminist is not welcome to discuss anything in that note. I will not reward his bullyish tactics by letting him post on my page.

Finally, people find alot of things we do individually as "offensive". I am sure you would agree (being that you are an atheist in a majority christian nation) that not wanting to offend people is not a good excuse for not posting something we find to be relevant. Sure, those who have a skewed view towards feminism would call that photo "sexist", while others, like myself (and the female who i got the photo from), would see the humour in it, which was that mostly unnattractive women are the ones usually championing the "sexism" banner. Your perception is your reality, and my perception is mine. We are both entitled to that.
3 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
@Eric - I know you are a friend of hers. I dare you to go to her page and ask her to "reopen a debate" and see what happens to your facebook friendship...lol..let me know how that goes..
3 hours ago ·
D. Eric Harmon
D. Eric Harmon
@Andrao...I am a bit confused, so please, if you can, clarify a few things...(1) are you suggesting that you removed Julian's response because he called you a "wimp" and a "coward?" If so, did he call you this before or after you removed his post? If he called you this in response to your deletion of his post, how is this an explanation for removing his post? (2) Are you suggesting that anyone who views that photo as sexist has a "skewed" view towards feminism? (3) Are you suggesting that the photo is simply humorous and not sexist? and (4) would you say someone had a skewed view about racism if they found offensive a picture which included a black male progressive with a sign that decried racism, and in the background are three minstrels in black face and huge Afro wigs, and the caption reads:Racism, only uppity niggers complain about it?

BTW, since I agreed with almost everything Julian wrote (except the name calling), I suppose that makes me a radical feminist too....

Also, could you please answer the question about my comparison to your "humorous" picture and my analogy to racism...
3 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
My first paragraph in my last post explains my reasoning why i deleted his post. My second paragraph outlines why he is not allowed on my page thereafter.

Question 2: Yes, especially if they are self proclaimed radical feminists themselves, or married to one.

Question 3: Your perception is your reality and my perception is mine. You choose to see no humour in the photo, and i choose to see no sexism in said photo.

Question 4: The three minstrels in black face and afrowigs would be white people underneath their costumes, right? They are not black, are they? The women in the hooters outfits in the photo are not women in costume only, but ACTUAL women. If they are ok portraying themselves as such, and making fun of "ugly" women who tell them to put their clothes on, who are we to call that "sexist"?

Your analogy, while witty, does not parallel with this photo, sorry.
3 hours ago ·
Capri Vegas
Capri Vegas
WOW.... r u serious??? lol, the rest of this aside, for the PHOTO part, some of what it said on that photo is true, not too sound shallow, but women will complain out of sheer jealousy because they cant look a certain way, whats ugly is peoples attitudes that want to judge other women like myself that work in that business, people have to stop being so conservative and open their minds,stop hating, and i know this because i work in that environment, these women look at it as sexism, i look at it as money, so in all honesty, "sexism" supports me, my kid, my bills, bought me my car, and pays for my university, i get no child support, and have no family to help me out,am not able to get a student loan, so its my way of life for the moment.whoever wants to judge , remember this, your not god, so you therefore have no right to. I dont find that picture offensive at all to be honest, i find it comical and somewhat true!
2 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Thank you Capri...well said...people will see what they WANT to see, at the end of the day...depending on their life experiences, and their circle of acquaintances, their view on things will be shaped by all of those determining factors...
2 hours ago ·
Capri Vegas
Capri Vegas
no prob, bring it on lol
2 hours ago ·
D. Eric Harmon
D. Eric Harmon
@Andrao...thanks for responding and the continued dialogue...okay...I do not feel that you answered my first question...remember, I said I was confused, and you just pointed to your first and second paragraph. I read them, and was confused, hence my question...perhaps I can explain my confusion...I try to ask questions rather than making assertions (ala the socratic method)...but because you did not clear up my confusion, I will make an assertion. Here it is...I find your explanation unsatisfactory in that you claim that Julian's name calling prompted you to delete his post, but he did not name call until AFTER you deleted his post, hence, it seems unlikely that this would be the reason you deleted his post...him calling you a "coward" and a "wimp" was a reaction to your deletion of his post...so if this is not the case, please explain why it isn't (that was my confusion)....I understand that he called you a name and you now refuse to allow him on your page, but again, he called you that after you deleted his post, not before...I am still at a loss, therefore, why you deleted his post in the first place....could you clarify?

I also find it very telling that you find no sexism in the photo...

Now about my analogy...you are incorrect about the minstrels being white people in black face. My analogy is that these are black men in black face and Afro wigs, degrading themselves to entertain the white supremacist power structure. As you may know, several minstrels were actually black men in black face who imitated white men who were doing an exaggerated imitation of black men...this is analogous to women who parade around in scantily clad clothing to service patriarchal desires and who defend their right to demean themselves...as you may well know, this is known as the Stockholm syndrome, and black people, as well as women in general, often suffer from this need to identify with the oppressor and to fulfill the oppressor's vision of what they are supposed to be and act like...so do not alter my analogy, for it holds...

In order for me to see my own sexism, I had to make comparisons to black males and white males via racism...if it is wrong when the analogy holds for racism, it holds for sexism, but since black men benefit from sexism, it is often hard for us to see our complicity with patriarchy...saying that only ugly women have a problem with sexism is the same as saying only progressive, liberation minded blacks had a problem with slavery or Jim Crow...do you agree with that, and can you see the comparison?
2 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
I'm pressed for time right now, so i will respond to your first question, and discuss the photo and sexism issue later, since i have too much to say on that.

For the last time, i deleted that dude's post because i did not want to engage in a discussion with someone who is a friend of the person i have issue with. I did not want anyone speaking FOR her to me, on HER behalf. Again, i outlined this in my private message response, which he posted on his blog, which you said you read. So why are you asking me this over and over again. I do not want to argue with Aganju's cohorts. If she will not engage me directly, i will not settle for one of her radical feminists lackeys arguing for her...

Are we clear on this now? 
2 hours ago ·
Denton Cockburn
Denton Cockburn
Laugh, cause that's kinda comical.
2 hours ago ·
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Andrão Brasileiro Fanático
Exactly what Im doing Denton...lol..
2 hours ago ·

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We're almost done. 
I have some questions to Andrão:

1. Why did you bring up me being gay and Jewish? What was your intention in doing so? It's clear you enjoy the company of people who are homophobes, willing to call for the death of non-heterosexual people, and that you are not willing to publicly call them out. You will tell them not to post death threats as if this is a sufficient standard of ethical behavior, re: lesbian and gay rights to be free from threat and discrimination, violence and killing. I conclude that's not nearly sufficient to make you a trustworthy ally to me or any other non-heterosexual person, on this matter of being "pro-queer/SGL", just so you know. Not that you're pretending to me by ally. All you're saying is you have some lesbian and gay friends and so you take homophobic threats of violence and murder seriously. Would you take the threats seriously, seeing them as unfunny, if you didn't have lesbian and gay friends? Just wondering.

2. You claim you saw that Aganju and I are friends. Where? On Facebook? How is it that you can see Aganju's friend's list but I can't? I can only see my friend's in common with her. The same goes for your friend's list. So obviously you're lying. You have no proof I'm her Facebook Friend, as if it matters. Just admit you don't want to engage, rather than promoting your implausible explanations for why you won't publish and respond to my questions and challenges to you. And, if someone ELSE who is NOT a friend of Aganju asks you the same questions, shall I presume you WILL answer/address them responsibly? Or will you find another way to duck out of being accountable to what you do that is misogynistic yet again?

This isn't to be evasive about whether we are or are not friends. WE ARE. This is to call you out on your bold-faced lying, your duplicity, your lack of integrity, and your unscrupulousness. For the record, I never denied being her friend; I only challenged you to answer the damn questions which have validity regardless of my connection to Aganju. But on this matter of you doing your own "research"... coupled with you looking at all Aganju's photos and reading up about her, which one of us now appears to you to be more of a stalker?

What the hell is it with you misogynist het men thinking a gay profeminst is attracted to you and/or stalking you? Really. Seriously. Because me perusing your public Facebook pages for proof that you're a liar and a misogynist, is hardly "stalking", right? And, if that does constitute stalking, then CLEARLY you going to Aganju's page, researching who her friends are, checking out lots of her photos, posting comments under five of them, reading up all about her and summarising what you've read to her, engaging her in conversation and then, when "scorned", berating her publicly constitutes something far more pernicious than "stalking", right? Especially when you use this information to slander a Black woman publicly and conspire with other misogynists to make it seem like the woman, not YOU, has the "issues" that you're not wishing to deal with.

3. Why do het men like you approach or engage with women with whom you politically disagree, when your own sexism and misogyny is obviously not going to be "attractive" to the women you respond to or engage with? Don't you already KNOW your sexism will be called out and otherwise challenged, or that the women will walk away? Or are you just so damned arrogant that you to think that women will want to be with you EVEN THOUGH you are deceitful and sexist?Why don't you spare women the trouble of having to find out by either being honest about your misogyny up front, or not engaging with them to begin with? I direct this question to ALL misogynist/sexist het men, including the two men below.

A friend of Andrão and co-slanderer of Aganju is a man named Terry L. Shed. Here's his pic:
Terry L. Shed

DaRohn Sercey is also misogynistic--I have this from a reliable source. Here's a pic of him:



In closing, I offer this to "The Masculist Bachelor", who appears to like his food bland:

Truth is like spicy hot sauce; some people like it on their food, even though it
burns them a bit when they ingest it, and other people just can't stomach
the hot sauce, so they prefer to eat their food without it.

- Andrae Williams

5 comments:

Owl Eyes said...

This idea of "Masculinist" is absurd. Almost as absurd as the so called "feminists" who defend these type of men. I recently found a woman that is possibly the equal of the female madshangi - she's making videos supporting the sex industry and running down anti-exploitation feminists. This whole siding with MRAs and other such bullshit has caused me to read up on "libertarian or ifeminism"
anyway, check out her videos.
warning: they are incredibly ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Divinity33372

Thanks for standing up for women and standing AGAINST the patriarchy. We need more people like you!

Antiquelens (that girl on youtube)

JENNIFER DREW said...

This instance of yet another masculist exercising his so-called masculine power is one not of race but of pseudo male entitlement and pseudo belief women exist to serve men. Otherwise why do women exist in his misogynstic view.

Many times men of differing ethnicities and races will 'band together' in order to maintain their pseudo male entitlement of domination and ownership of women. Not forgetting of course that these men fear yes fear feminists especially the 'non-fun kind' because we are a threat to their pseudo masculine rights and entitlements. But what these masculists fear is not only individual radical feminists but the message radical feminists continue to proclaim. Namely women are not men's servants or slaves and we will not be dominated or controlled by men because they are male not female. Male supremacy is the problem and that is why these men become so angry and 'play the victim.'

You're absolutely right Julian because it is essential men who are not misogynists or hold women in contempt must speak out and condemn those men who think it is their right to hold women of whatever ethnicity/race/culture in contempt.

You're also right that in challenging the man's/men's misogynistic behaviour is not the same as calling them insulting names.

Unfortunately it is true that men are far more afraid of other men's opinion than they are afraid of women shaming them. A woman calling a man out on his misogynistic attitudes does not have the same social effect as a man calling another man out on his behaviour.

Somehow this masculist misogynist learned about your ethnicity/race etc. and is deliberately using this in an attempt to discredit you. According to his twisted thinking only heterosexual men who hold women in contempt are 'real men.' He will not see or accept it is how our male supremacist system which is the issue because it constructs masculinity as being one of domination, power and control over all women and men who are perceived as not 'being real men.'

This masculist misogynist is seeking the same power as he sees white, powerful heterosexual men have over all women. Hence his contempt for women in general which of course earns him brownie points with white male supremacists, but he will never ever attain the same power as the WHMs because of his colour no matter how hard he tries.

This is how white male supremacy operates.

Julian Real said...

Hi Jennifer,

Thank you. It's a critical matter in/under/within WHM supremacy, that anyone marginalised by one degree sees it as possible to achieve close-to-the-status of WHM, but as you say, can never attain it, and good thing because it would mean being just as despicable and inhumane collectively speaking.

If all marginalised people could oraganise against the interests and institutions of WHM, well, we'd see what a minority WHM really are. But we'd all need alternative systems in which to survive during the resistance and withdrawal of support.

I've yet to fully address the homophobia of Andrao's post. For now, I'd like the focus to be on his misogyny--but, as you say, there's a very direct connection between the two, and the irony of telling an adult male with my name he's not "real" remains endlessly amusing to me.

Beth said...

Julian, thank you for exposing the sexism and homophobia. Did Andrao ever respond to D. Eric Harmon's request to respond to his analogy regarding the sexist poster? (Bravo Mr. Harmon!)

I feel the need to respond to Capri Vegas's comments about the sexist poster:

Capri Vegas:
"for the PHOTO part, some of what it said on that photo is true, not too sound shallow, but women will complain out of sheer jealousy because they cant look a certain way..."

Ms. Vegas, your shallow and obtuse "analysis" embarrasses me as a woman- your response (Oh gee, those women who oppose Hooters are just jealous) is an indication that you might suffer from the "Uncle Tom Syndrome" (a minority's strategy of coping with oppression from socially, culturally or economically dominant groups (e.g. White Americans, men, heterosexuals, etc.) involving suppression of aggressive feelings and even identification with the oppressor, leading to "forced assimilation/acculturation" of the cultural minority.)

I left fashion modeling years ago when I was exposed to women like Ann Simonton, founder of Media Watch and former SI swimsuit model turned feminist activist. Aside from the poor fashion taste in the "uniforms," I am opposed to Hooters (it's a restaurant called "Tits") the same way I would be opposed to the existence of a racist restaurant called "Sambo's" whose African-American servers dressed like Buckwheat and served watermelon.

http://www.mediawatch.com/

Capri Vegas:
"whats ugly is peoples attitudes that want to judge other women like myself that work in that business, people have to stop being so conservative and open their minds,stop hating,"

Ms. Vegas, I'm sure that you are infinitely more conservative than I am. I ask that you stop judging and hating feminists which the poster (that you posted on your FB wall) implies and open your mind to our perspective- we are working to make the world a better place for all of us, including you and your child.

Capri Vegas:
"and i know this because i work in that environment, these women look at it as sexism, i look at it as money, so in all honesty, "sexism" supports me, my kid, my bills, bought me my car, and pays for my university, i get no child support, and have no family to help me out,am not able to get a student loan, so its my way of life for the moment."

Ms. Vegas, it is sad that women today still have few resources and options which causes us to seek employment at places like Hooters. I am working with other feminists (including pro-feminist men) to end sexism so that women won't have to resort to working at Hooters. (I know the pull that money has- I could easily make $100/hour modeling). I hope that you will join us in our movement.

Capri Vegas:
"whoever wants to judge , remember this, your not god, so you therefore have no right to. I dont find that picture offensive at all to be honest, i find it comical and somewhat true!"

I agree, Ms. Vegas. Maybe you should stop judging feminists...a good start would be to remove that pathetic poster from your FB wall. I also request that you educate yourself about what feminism is all about because you appear to lack knowledge about basic female human rights if you think that the poster is "comical and somewhat true!"

Beth said...

Julian, thank you for exposing the sexism and homophobia. Did Andrao ever respond to D. Eric Harmon's request to respond to his analogy regarding the sexist poster? (Bravo Mr. Harmon!)

I feel the need to respond to Capri Vegas's comments about the sexist poster:

Capri Vegas:
"for the PHOTO part, some of what it said on that photo is true, not too sound shallow, but women will complain out of sheer jealousy because they cant look a certain way..."

Ms. Vegas, your shallow and obtuse "analysis" embarrasses me as a woman- your response (Oh gee, those women who oppose Hooters are just jealous) is an indication that you might suffer from the "Uncle Tom Syndrome" (a minority's strategy of coping with oppression from socially, culturally or economically dominant groups (e.g. White Americans, men, heterosexuals, etc.) involving suppression of aggressive feelings and even identification with the oppressor, leading to "forced assimilation/acculturation" of the cultural minority.)

I left fashion modeling years ago when I was exposed to women like Ann Simonton, founder of Media Watch and former SI swimsuit model turned feminist activist. Aside from the poor fashion taste in the "uniforms," I am opposed to Hooters (it's a restaurant called "Tits") the same way I would be opposed to the existence of a racist restaurant called "Sambo's" whose African-American servers dressed like Buckwheat and served watermelon.

http://www.mediawatch.com/

Capri Vegas:
"whats ugly is peoples attitudes that want to judge other women like myself that work in that business, people have to stop being so conservative and open their minds,stop hating,"

Ms. Vegas, I'm sure that you are infinitely more conservative than I am. I ask that you stop judging and hating feminists which the poster (that you posted on your FB wall) implies and open your mind to our perspective- we are working to make the world a better place for all of us, including you and your child.

Capri Vegas:
"and i know this because i work in that environment, these women look at it as sexism, i look at it as money, so in all honesty, "sexism" supports me, my kid, my bills, bought me my car, and pays for my university, i get no child support, and have no family to help me out,am not able to get a student loan, so its my way of life for the moment."

Ms. Vegas, it is sad that women today still have few resources and options which causes us to seek employment at places like Hooters. I am working with other feminists (including pro-feminist men) to end sexism so that women won't have to resort to working at Hooters. (I know the pull that money has- I could easily make $100/hour modeling). I hope that you will join us in our movement.

Capri Vegas:
"whoever wants to judge , remember this, your not god, so you therefore have no right to. I dont find that picture offensive at all to be honest, i find it comical and somewhat true!"

I agree, Ms. Vegas. Maybe you should stop judging feminists...a good start would be to remove that pathetic poster from your FB wall. I also request that you educate yourself about what feminism is all about because you appear to lack knowledge about basic female human rights if you think that the poster is "comical and somewhat true!"