Showing posts with label size discrimination. Show all posts
Showing posts with label size discrimination. Show all posts

Friday, May 13, 2011

What's wrong with this image from V magazine (summer 2011, "The Asian Issue")?

How about "everything". 

image of V magazine cover is from here

There use of the female body, turned into something utterly unnatural, to sell magazines is nothing new. The use of white and Asian women, and Black and Brown and Indigenous women, presented in sexist ways to sell magazines is nothing new. What's new for me is seeing a white-Western magazine which promotes itself as "The Asian Issue" wherein a white woman is made to have three heads, one of which is Asian. I suppose I'm supposed to think about dragons, what with the issue being about Asian people and all. Even if the dragon as a symbol is specific to only some ancient and contemporary Asian cultures.

Ableism, ageism, sexism, heterosexism, racism, and classism combine to form this image. Take those elements out, there's nothing left but the grey background.

The cover image alone--without venturing into the interior of the magazine--is enough to make you wonder what ever happened to human rights struggles for dignity and respect. I'm not sure there's much else to say about this image, other than, "shame on V". I don't expect them to get it. I do hope you won't get it--the magazine, that is.

Saturday, May 7, 2011

Black Swan (2010) starring Natalie Portman, story and screenplay by Andrés Heinz; screenplay also by Mark Heyman and John J. McLaughlin, is one of the most misogynist movies I've ever seen

image of movie poster is from here
Plot summary paragraph added on 8 May 2011. 

There's a lengthy rant before the review. 
If you want to cut to the chase, go down about ten paragraphs. This note was added on 21 Sept. 2012. 
***Added 12 Oct. 2012: Even easier--scroll down to the row of red asterisks!***

This post concerns misogyny, whiteness, darkness, and movie-making. I'm unsure of how it is that misogyny about white women is so revered and celebrated by men as a form of entertainment. I only know that it is, as is misogyny against any woman--it's just that Hollywood knows that if it makes movies about white people, more white people will go see the movie, in theatres or by renting the DVD. In a racist society in which there are white people--a majority population or not--where the economic system is racist too, whites will rule both socially and economically.

In the West, white men will possess more money than any other group and will hoard it using any and all means necessary, including military, legal, and police force. This is the current news story of the U.S. economic crisis--not mentioned this way exactly. Nowhere are rich white men calling for and end to the racism or the classism, coded into  financial and cultural currency, that keeps them rich, and richer, and richer. These white boys just did a calculated sell-off of oil futures. They knew that the U.S. people wouldn't tolerate gas prices above 4 bucks a gallon, and voila, as soon as that became the national average, they make their profits and now will wait to see how much more money they can make in the next quarter of the year. What is it that oil is sometimes called? Ah yes: Black Gold.

It takes a lot of men to make so many movies featuring misogyny. It also takes the support of a lot of women too. Jodie Foster is now promoting her film made with racist-misogynist Mel Gibson. As I understand it, he revealed the latest depths of his racist-misogynist raging and ranting, and abusiveness and terrorism, only after shooting of the film was completed--this is according to Jodie, who appeared on David Letterman's show and only quickly noted that Mel's behavior cannot be excused--but she said nothing else about him and has only publicly defended him as a good person.

She's quite willfully maintained a professional relationship with him long enough to determine that he's a racist misogynist--if you consider what he's said in public and done in private to be racist and misogynistic, that is--without making excuses for him.

To blame Mel's attitudes about and treatment of women across race, and of people of color across gender, and of Jews, as only a consequence of his drinking, which Roger Ebert does EXPLICITLY *here*, is to make it seem like alcohol possesses the ability to determine our attitudes about specific groups of people, which it does not. Shame on Roger Ebert for avoiding the truth of Mel Gibson's life, and to pretend his career and his abuses of women are not intimately linked. See this snippet of his review:
[H]ere is another of Mel Gibson's fine performances, a reminder that he is after all a superb actor. His personal life is in ruins because of the disease of alcoholism, which he is still struggling with. Though he's responsible for his outrageous acts and statements, I think this is not the good man I have met many times. From what I know about alcoholism, I believe he goes through personality changes, that he is content on some days and consumed by rage and madness on others, and that such changes are symptoms of the disease. Make your own diagnosis.

It took some courage on the part of Jodie Foster to direct this film. I believes she knows Gibson's good side and respects his talent. He was certainly the right choice for this material. All of his troubles through recent years are summed up by her opening shot, of an exhausted man floating on a raft in a swimming pool, his arms wide like the crucified Christ. A voice (later revealed to be the Beaver's) informs us this is Walter Black, a man so deep in depression, he has alienated his family and nearly destroyed his business.

We meet his much-suffering wife Meredith (Jodie Foster), his resentful son Porter (Anton Yelchin) and his disbelieving colleagues. Meredith finally throws him out, not without love. He buys a bottle, checks into a motel, tries to kill himself and is interrupted by the hand puppet.

And we get to feel so sorry for another privileged white het male abuser of women and his child, and of many other people too. Got it. Spare me the violins.

I understand Jodie wanting to make money off of her film. I can only hope it is her last professional collaboration with Mel Gibson. I recommend boycotting The Beaver. (And pleeease with the title--and the ridiculous story. It's not funny. It's not cute. The movie sucks. It's yet another "oh, the poor, poor very privileged MAN" movies. There have been entirely too many of those. We need far more murder-suicides where the murder isn't of a woman and the suicide is of a man who takes his own life before, not after, ruining the lives of others.) One last note on "The Beaver". (And we're not talking about *this* Beaver either, although it too celebrates the colonisation and domestication of white women.) How does one decide to name a movie after a misogynist insult to women? Jodie explained, semi-facetiously, that the title might help it sell well on DVD, because there will be het men wanting pornography who will order it. What a great idea for the selling of a serious film! (Not.) She also told us about how almost entirely wonderful her two sons are, how much better it is to have sons than daughters, and how wretchedly insulting to her Jodie's overbearing mother has been, except to her sons as a grandmother. It appears we cannot escape these themes of man-adoring and woman-hating.

I'm not sure who has more social clout: Roger Ebert or Jodie Foster. He reviews movies. She makes them. He's male and heterosexual. She's not. I've witnessed for a long time how if a woman is marginalised in some ways in Hollywood, by appearance, by sexuality, by age, or by race, she is expected to publicly support MEN, by those who pay her, more than it is expected of other women who are less marginalised. Even and especially, it appears, the most misogynistic among the menfolk are expected to be supported. What if we all stopped supporting misogynist and racist men? And stopped featuring them in movies and TV series and other programming (for example: Charlie Sheen). But there is non-gay boy-bonding of course, and it does preclude any man from speaking out against abuses that are primarily perpetrated by men against women.

Another theme in society is that when men are entranced by boys or men, they will betray women and girls utterly. This goes alongside the theme that when men are entranced by girls and women, they will betray women and girls utterly.

I guess it's men being entranced that's the problem. For when in such as state, men routinely conclude they are not in power, they are not in control, even while they take possession of and kill all who they are entranced by. That's a curious bit of logical phallusy, now isn't it? When women have been accused of taking possession of boys--such as in custody conflicts with abusive men, or of men's penises in the night, as in some of the witch trials, that never works out well for the women. If they don't burn her, they tie a stone to her ankle and toss her into the river: if she sinks, she was not a witch; if she floats, she is a witch and must be burned. Clever men: they get to destroy women either way.


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But on with the featured show.

This cinematic psychological thriller is called "Black Swan". The title comes from the ballet. The ballet comes from some of the cultures of Russia and Germany but was written by Pyotr Tchaikovsky and was later modified by his brother Modes. Almost immediately, I waged a bet with myself, not knowing much about the film's creators. I bet myself that the writers and director were all male. I bet that no woman was involved in constructing this story, as it appeared, in every respect, to be nothing other than a tangle of men's misogynist fantasies about pretty pale young females, as men define pretty, pale, young, and female, put on film. Indeed, we are led to believe that Winona Ryder, who plays the "aging" dancer, is so far over the hill that she might as well be dead. Oh, that's practically a spoiler alert. To the extent that she is alive, one has to ask: why is she alive and for whom? Surely not herself.

Here's the main plot: a young, thin, white woman who is pretty according to conventional Hollywood and Madison Avenue standards, is grossly and abusively manipulated in body and mind by a prestigious white het male choreographer of a revival of the ballet, Swan Lake. She hopes he will cast her in the role of Swan Queen which would allow her to perform (dance) as both the White Swan and the Black Swan. She lives with her mother; she is attracted to another woman dancer. And she is battling with various forms of psychosis as she is brought close to a complete mental breakdown well-choreographed by the instructor/choreographer.

The story braids together these themes: white heterosexualised female beauty being overpowering to presumably straight white men; men's need to control, manipulate, and dominate women sadistically, socially, and sexually; people changing from birds to humans; goodness and purity of love represented by whiteness and lightness; evil and seduction by blackness and darkness; and the on-going question men seem to have about women's sanity. The sexist and racist themes are well represented--more symbolically with the racism, more interpersonally with the sexism. (Where HAVE I heard this before??? Oh, I've written about it *here*.)

Added to those are "problems" of lesbianism and how closely it relates, to the filmmakers, to a woman's insanity. Crazy = dark = female. Crazy = dark female. Dark = crazy female. Female = dark and crazy. Remember that. When a woman is darkest, she is at her most insane, according to white het men's myths.

One of the messages of the film as written is that attraction to men is sometimes destructive, but attraction among women is only destructive and all attraction among women amounts to incest in one form or another. You know women: they can't tell one from the other! Mom sees herself in her daughter; daughter sees herself in her female dance competitor. (Sarcasm alert: Thank goodness it isn't men who mistake different women for one another! Ask any consumer of Playboy: he'll be able to tell you what distinguishes about Miss April from Miss August. But it won't be the depth or breadth of the women's humanity, I assure you.) To the extent that such attraction among white thin females is sexualised in the film, it must be presented to het men publicly for their own private enjoyment. Again and again and again. We are allowed--or is it forced?--to gaze upon Portman's breasts, covered only in a very thin white leotard. It, like her own skin, will not keep any man out.

One of many misogynist sub-plots in Black Swan might just as be described thusly: "See how male filmmakers write and direct a story requiring Natalie Portman to fake masturbation and orgasm as often as possible." Her character can try to keep her mother out of her "private" sexual life in the fantasy sequences in the film, using a wood pole, curiously. In the reality scenes, she cannot keep men out, publicly or otherwise: there aren't enough wood poles around when she needs them to beat the predatory man over the head, or to use to stab men in the crotch or the eyes. Men wouldn't write such scenes anyway. Sighted men don't stay aroused by seeing men hit in the crotch or the eyes by a woman. They "feel" such assaults viscerally, in the groin or they eyes not as pleasure. Most men want their erections and their vision too, and use both to penetrate women's bodies which, in men's stories, are everything but private.

All the disgusting invasive assaults against Portman's character--and there are so many I lost count--are meant to evoke pleasurable responses from men, or a kind of revulsion-titillation response, typical of how men view women they lust for and simultaneously hate. This movie is a het male serial rapist and fatherly incest perpetrator's delight. Just check the demographic of who is renting it. I predict it will be (or already is) mostly white het men. Like over 90%.

"Art"--using the term loosely, sometimes, is pornography: the graphic depiction of woman-as-wh*res. Women are depicted and referenced as "wh*res" throughout this film--whether or not they are "frigid" or "hot", they are wh*res and must be sexually available to men when men want them to be. Portman's character has the scratches on her back to prove it. Roger Ebert only alludes to this; he doesn't use the word "misogyny" at all, which I find shocking as I know he is conscious of it both as a term and a social reality. *Here's his review*. But true to form, the female lead only ever wants or admires the man who possesses and destroys her--even while she resists him; she only resents the woman who possesses and seeks to protect her, and also resists her. Portman's character attempts to tear down her mother's image, which fantastically mocks and shames her. But the male lead who tears at her and breaks her down can only be either secretly desired or submitted to. Alas, in misogynist cinema and other stories, is there any difference between the two?

This was one of the more disturbing films I've ever seen--unrelentingly disturbing, in fact. It wasn't just that it was gross--and it was gross--repulsive--a lot. What was repulsive was how the writers and director subjects the audience to scenes that seem only to exist to make the viewer recoil or retch. There seriously ought to be a trigger warning on this movie for anyone with an eating disorder that involves self-starvation or throwing up. It's not a safe movie; not only for that reason.

In addition to Portman's body being scratched, it is also bloodied in many other ways--indeed, menstruation is the only blood-event not mentioned. This was clue number 5000 that it was written by a man or by men. She peels back her own skin, off of her finger; she examines her cracked and bloody toenail; she gazes at lesions by her fingernails; she presses her fingers into abrasions; she sticks things into her flesh; she tears at herself. This is the most perversely self-touching movie of a young woman I've ever seen. But then again, I haven't seen much pornography in the last 25 or more years.

This fictional woman who is spawned from the utterly infertile minds of men (Russian, German, and U.S. American) has a boundary called "skin" that betrays her; or she betrays it. But underneath all the peeling, picking, pinching, poking, and bleeding, if you're paying attention, is a story of how men ruin women's lives. You just have to endure all the very graphic female self-injury along the way. It was like watching a movie of a bird systematically and painfully plucking out its own feathers. Oh, she does some of that too.

This and boy-war movies like Platoon rank up there in "movies I plan never to see again". Watching movies about how men graphically and violently destroy other men and how men pornographically destroy women isn't my idea of a good cinematic time. But men do love their violence and violations, don't they? And it's only when feminists notice this theme that men take umbrage and deny it altogether.

Men can do whatever they want to women--men have demonstrated this enough times for it to be received as an unquestionable statement of truth. Men can and do possess women and girls. Men can and do rape women and girls. Men can and do dictate the terms by which many women live their lives, and thrust, assert, and insinuate themselves into women's and girls' lives in such ways that women's freedom with men is not possible, and the only freedom women have from invasion is to live without men. Men arrange societies so that the only way to accomplish that is by not living at all. Suicide-as-liberation, I'd argue, is not a pro-feminist idea. Liberation by murdering the male invaders, the male abusers, the male violators: that to me is pro-feminist because it removes from men the complete lack of accountability that men currently enjoy and exploit in too many ways to imagine or contemplate. Instead, it seems we all want to think of men as "good" at least some of the time. That men choose to waver dangerously between something called "goodness" to something called "evil" only shows us how easily men project their own moral and sexual struggles onto women, making women the source of all that is good or bad in men--as if men weren't in charge at all.

It is a primary conceit of contemporary corporate pornography--and all mass produced material that is about "pornos" graphically, that because women's sexual power is greater than nuclear, wind, hydraulic, and solar power combined, it must be tamed, controlled, and punished by men. So too must animals. So too must the Earth, sea, and sky. There is nothing that white men, in particular, can keep their grubby hands off of. And there is nothing they touch that is not ruined, made to feel or be utterly without value or worth. It's like The Golden Touch in reverse, a curse from which there appears to be no remedy or relief.

Black Swan (from IMDb):
Directed by
Darren Aronofsky 

Writing credits
Mark Heymanscreenplay
Andres Heinzscreenplay
John J. McLaughlinscreenplay
Andres Heinzstory

Tuesday, April 19, 2011

"Objectification is Worse for Men", and other loads of CRAP. A public response to Andre, Alexei, Lawrence, and Dave

image was found here

What follows is from the comments section of a post from Sociological Images *here*, showing many examples of how nude men are being displayed in advertising. My comments are a response to that collection as well as to men's ridiculous patriarchy-denying and CRAP-ignorant comments below.

With thanks to JPLee for her responses to Alexei and Lawrence.


  • Julian 10:18 am on April 19, 2010 | # | Reply

    First, if you’re not among the ten to eleven million who have seen this, I welcome you to see this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U (or just Google “Dove Evolution video”)
    No matter how thin, no woman wakes up in the morning computer-digitally altered.

    I’ll add that these ads perpetuate the most vile forms of contempt for certain “other” women. AS IF women are all extremely pale, thin, young, and very tall. This particular body type, where it does occur “in nature” occurs in Europe among a very few Caucasians. Not commonly in Asia–and Asia goes from China to Indonesia, and from the “Middle East” to Japan! Not so much in Indigenous populations in Asia and the Americas. Not in any part of Africa, unless among a few whites descendants of colonists. And, in case no one has noticed, the Americas, the UK, and Australia, and other places where Elle magazine and Vogue magazine are sold and distributed, such as most cities, mostly people who are none of those attributes live there, including NYC, London, and Perth.

    Yes, Laura. I totally agree. Why don’t we men organise and not just speak up when it seems “the women are ignoring our pain”? Why don’t men speak out against what pornographers do to men, what pimps do to males of various ages, and advertising execs get rich doing to mostly white people that negatively impacts all people?

    “The fairer” sex also means whiter/lighter, as in “mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the fairest one of all”. (Answer: Snow White… get the racism?) Fair skinned is allegedly “better” than dark skinned. So racism against women runs all through these images. And that is horrendously marginalising and alienating to women of color, to non-superthin women, to older women, and one other category as well… can you guess which category?

    The “type” of woman that rarely gets discussed when discussing ads about women, and is never seen in media at all, unless to denigrate her terribly, is butch women, non-femme women. These magazines won’t go near any woman who isn’t ultra-femme to the point of having to be painted from head to toe, because NO women look like the women above, ever. (See that famous “Dove Ad” on YouTube to know what I mean, linked to above in this comment.)

    So that one man, as mentioned, could be gay, but the women only exist for/draped on the men to do with as they please. They are Barbie dolls. Is he HER accessory, or is she HIS? (Hmmmm: is there a “gay” inference: do naked white-but-tanned men play with Barbie dolls?)

    @Matt: almost no white men have hairless upper bodies AND hairy lower bodies. Possibly some “Aryan”/Nordic men. So you do, and another .001 percent of the population. But “nature” doesn’t work that way for most of us, and men’s chests are now moving back towards being hairy on television, which means those actors won’t have to have that hair ripped or shaved off.

    If you sense agitation in my posts, it’s because I hear from the people who are profoundly negatively impacted by this and other media. The women and men who believe women are “undesirable” and “ugly” and “ought to stay inside” if they don’t have stick-legs, are not “pretty” as defined by pimps and cosmetics companies, and “fairest of them all”. The lesbian women who never see their desire, their aesthetics, depicted anywhere. Even depictions of “lesbianism” in dominant media is “for heterosexual men” to “enjoy”. Ugh.

    These women, above, and men, only exist in relation to one another. For each other. Lesbians and gay men exist too, and we don’t all look like the people in the images above. And NO Black man looks like that polished ebony form above. (Not even him.) If you don’t see the harm, just breathe in the pain and suffering caused by these and all the other images shoved at us 24/7. Feel that pain. Of raw throats from vomiting several times a day. Of not having a clear mind and strong body due to self-starvation for one to twenty years. Of all the girls who don’t have, as Toni Morrison wrote, “The Bluest Eye”.

  • Andre 8:07 am on May 30, 2010 | # | Reply

    I don’t see anyone turned into objects here. I think this concept is misguided if people think being sexy is somehow “bad/wrong”

  • Julian 9:11 am on May 30, 2010 | # | Reply

    @Andre,
    The point isn’t that being turned into objects is bad/wrong. The point is to note how capitalist white male supremacist media market the flesh of white women, white men, women of color, and men of color, while noting as well what it has to say bout heterosexuality and lesbianism and gayness. The issues are discrimination, harm, oppression, and dehumanisation, not being “bad/wrong”.
    You can decide for yourself if racism is bad or wrong. But this blog exists to document misogyny, racism, and heterosexism, among other realities, that do injure people physically and emotionally. You can care or not care about matters of gross exploitation, the promulgation of harmful ideas of “beauty”, and social and sexual subordination. That’s entirely up to you.

  • fox 6:07 pm on June 3, 2010 | # | Reply

    I notice that the same thing often critisized in this blog is present in this post: first there are naked and sexy “men”, followed by a “black man” being objectified. So the first ones are just men, not “white men” – and the last one isn’t just a man, but a black one.

  • Alexei Soares 11:26 am on September 2, 2010 | # | Reply

    How can it be that intelligent authors fail to understand the pervasive and unrecognised nature of the sexual objectification of men in Western culture? It is everywhere, it is blatant, and it is most assuredly NOT exemplified by these pictures. These pictures are a myopic view of the sexual objectification of men as seen through the reality of women.

    A mean [sic] objectifies a woman when he evaluates her worth based mostly on her fitness as a reproductive partner. He bases his decision on proxy-fertility characteristics such as youth, body shape, firmness of behind, and breast shape and size.

    A woman objectifies a man when she evaluates his worth based mostly on his fitness as a reproductive partner. She bases her decision on proxy-genetic characteristics such as dominance, power, intelligence, financial success, and a larger than life presence.

    The best way to understand the objectification of women is the way women who do NOT posses the needed “object-characteristics” are treated as worthLESS. Fat, old, and ugly women are almost completely absent from cultural representation. I flew jetBlue last night, and the free movie was “Prince of Persia.” There was not a single old, fat, or ugly woman in the movie.

    The best way to understand the objectification of men is the way men who do NOT possess the needed “object-characteristics” are treated as worthLESS. Weak, powerless, and commonplace men are culturally represented in HUGE numbers, seen only for an instant (with no face) before being quickly killed off in a humour scene, as thought the death of an “inconsequential” man is worth no more than a laugh. The “Prince of Persia” is filled with funny scenes involving the killing of huge numbers of “weak” common soldiers, often “good guys” killed by the leading “dominant” male by mistake.

    • JPLee 8:30 pm on January 6, 2011 | # | Reply

      Your comment is ridiculous.

      It is NOT “sexual objectification” to evaluate a man’s worth based on his intelligence and financial success…

      What makes someone more valuable as a human being: a perfect body, or a brilliant mind? I don’t know about you, but I appreciate the artists, musicians, philosophers, and scientists of this world much more than I appreciate top models and pinups.

      When you objectify someone, you reduce them to a physicality, like a vase or a bottle of beer. Objects do not have thoughts, and so their purpose is to be USED by others to pleasure and satisfy.

      Of course there is unfair societal pressure on men to be intelligent, strong, or to conceal their feelings, but IT IS NOT THE SAME! You cannot objectify a mind the way you can a body!!
      Both sexes can be shallow when it comes to choosing a mate/judging the opposite sex, but women do not judge men on the same objectifying, intimate terms that have such limited shelf life as men do women.

      Women have it worse…..not pretty, but it’s true.

  • Lawrence 7:37 pm on February 7, 2011 | # | Reply

    I agree. women constantly whine about objectification and then insult us and call us immature if we point out their double standard. You cant watch a TV show or movie without all these athletic cut 20 something guys losing their shirts and many times even more. We have had a push of show showing male genitalia and they have been rated down to R. Show a woman’s pubic hair and you automatically get a NC-17, and you haven’t even shown her genitals. And then we get all these experts saying, “a flacid male organ is not erotic”. So, its still indecent and should garner the same treatment as female genitals. The beefcake in ads has gone way over the top and they know it. Women just want to have their beefcake and eat it too.

    • JPLee 12:28 am on February 8, 2011 | # | Reply

      Yes, we all have to contend with exceptionally hot (and touched up) people on TV. But at the same time…..now you know how we feel!

      Women are still objectified far more often than men (just going by the ads I see everyday). And only recently has the number of scantily dressed people in the media started to even out among the two genders…….I have to wonder why you are so pissed, when it is really just an eye for an eye.

      You really have to consider the long history of women being objectified before you can complain about things not being fair.

      PS. Who the hell are these experts telling us what to find erotic? I think we can figure these things out for ourselves. :P

    • Julian Real 1:26 am on February 8, 2011 | # | Reply

      @Lawrence – You seem not to grasp a very basic truth: that the men objectified are still valued for being powerful; the women objectified are valued for being weak. Why? Because however much men are objectified–including the objectification of white rich men as “wealth objects”, wealth, power, control, and force still remains in the hands of white men in the US. There’s no level playing field onto which such images fall. The field is mined against women of all colors in ways it never has been for men. It is mined against all people of color in ways it never has been for whites.

      If you want to narrow the gaze myopically to this issue of how people are presented in some print ads, that’s your myopic choice. In the real world, however, those images are part of a larger pattern of very threatening and horrific realities which, I would imagine–correct me if I’m wrong–you’ve not had the displeasure to be terrorised by, such as men following you as you walk to a bus station or train stop, or to your car; men pulling their cars over asking you to get inside; men harassing you on the street or at work; men feeling entitled to rape you at home, or to batter your face until bones are broken, or to batter your belly if it carries a fetus; grown men sexually abusing, trafficking, and enslaving thin girls–by the millions. I’ll wager you don’t register these horrors and terrors as “real” at all. And so you can pretend we are only discussing “a few images in some magazines”. You are quite privileged to be able to not make any more connections than that. This is to say, your privilege is showing.

  • Guest 3:46 pm on March 5, 2011 | # | Reply

    The next thing you know male models in ads display themselves while women display clothes.

  • Dave 5:24 pm on April 19, 2011 | # | Reply

    How can eople complain of what happened historically when they are now all dead!! It’s today’s children we should be thinking of and objectification of men is far more rife than that of women. It’s just that women moan about it more when an advert shows a bit of female leg or a film shows a female bum. And yet men are supposed to shrug their shoulders and take it like a man when bombarded with adverts showing shirtless hunks all the time or films and dramas showing detailed shots of genitals.
    It’s a double standard and it stinks. Women are all smug about it at the moment but the middle-aged white male is the last minority group yet to be protected from societies onslaught of male-bashing and male objectification. Give it another 10 years and the young males of today’s generation will put a stop to this because enough is enough!!

  • Julian Real 9:06 pm on April 19, 2011 | # | Reply

    Hello Dave,

    I welcome you to open your eyes to what’s going on globally, and in the West specifically, to women and girls before you jump to erroneous conclusions about how much more objectified men are than women.

    You know, I hope, that father-daughter rape is the most common form of child sexual abuse in the U.S.

    The average age of girls–yes, girl children–entering prostitution and pornography is thirteen, due to male pimps lying to the runaways from incest-perpetrating and otherwise patriarchally abusive homes.
    There are many hundreds of thousands of girls and women being trafficked internationally, primarily for the “pleasure” and profit of men.

    And that men get away with battery and rape most of the time, and most cases of men beating the crap out of women and raping them are not reported at all.

    When men are asked to describe what they do, in day to day life, to avoid being raped, they generally scratch their heads. When women are asked, the list is long and men respond to it by saying “I had no idea!”

    When a segregated group of young men were once asked what they feared most from women, the answer was “being laughed at”. When a group of young women were asked what they most feared from men, the answer was “being killed”. So please stop putting out this nonsense about how things are so, so bad for the doods. Whatever objectification men get, it’s not tied into a gendered political system in which women let that initial interpersonal or industrial objectification be the doorway to terroristically harassing and sexually and physically assaulting men and boys.

    If we understand ‘objectification’ to be part of women’s subordination–as part of the economic discrimination and aggressively abusive activities men enjoy unleashing on and against women and girls systematically and usually with impunity, your argument sinks like lead and stinks worse than the apparently unrecognised privilege in your comment. That would be the privilege to be oblivious and insensitive to what women and girls are enduring the world over that you, Dave, are not.

    Dave 5:16 pm on April 20, 2011 | # | Reply

    Oh for goodness sake, get a grip! Mothers kill their children far more than fathers do. Fact – look it up. I think rape is awful BUT there are other sides to the story that often go unheard. Girls get away with false rape claims all too often and men aren’t protected from this despite the fact that it can ruin innocent lives. Men get raped too, but that’s not as bad, is it!

    There is no support from Governments regarding domestic violence against men either, despit the fact that, arguably, that just as many, if not more, women commit violent acts against their partners – look it up. Quite simply it goes unnoticed because men don’t tend to complain, probably due to their protective instincts. Nobody cares about men. http://www.youtube.com/watch[blahblahblah].

    Life these days is all about women isn’t it. It’s all about how we should protect women, often at the expense of men. Look at the Titanic as a classic example of how men’s lives are treated as second class, expendable etc. Nobody cares about mens feelings. There is less spent on male health. Education these days supports girls (and the results go hand in hand with the trend). Fathers don’t have the same custody rights over their children. White males are victims of positive discrimination in the workplace. They are the victims of male bashing in modern advertising. It’s funny when they get kicked in the groin in a film. You can say anything you like about a man. You can make programmes that strip them of their dignity and make them look foolish because they are a man. The list goes on and on and on…

    Nobody cares about men, not even men. But I’m telling you now, give it 5 to 10 years and the young males in society are going to realise what a stupid, uncilvilised nd unfair society it is that they are part of and, trust me, there will be a massive backlash. THey will not put up with this crap for much longer.

    It makes me laugh how stupid people are and how indoctrinated they have become what with all the feminist brain-washing that has taken place over the last few decades. Look how people complain when a music video shows a woman dancing showing a bit of flesh. See how they are so quick to place it in the sexist objectification catagory. THey say how bad this is for young girls and boys, firstly because it puts pressure on the girls to look good and secondly because the boys are supposedly not allowed to look. YET, those very same complainers are completely and utterly oblivious to the half-naked male hunks flexing their muscles for the benefit of the female audience, despite the fact that this, too, makes many young lads feel shit about their body. But who cares about them, eh! The girls are allowed to see hunky bare-chested men everywhere. Double-standard.

    I could go on but I really can’t be bothered because I happen to know that I’m about 20 years ahead of my time and people like you are 20 years behind. You’ll see, just watch, it’s the next big thing!
Julian's note:
Dave is demonstrating how incredibly privileged and clueless he is. His rant is not worthy of much of a response. Anyone who believes "nobody cares about men" has no grasp of reality. Which gender is wiping the asses of baby boys, then? And which gender is feeding and taking emotional care, physical care, and often economic care of males of all ages? Men's logical phallusy appears to know no bounds. But we already knew that, didn't we?



Friday, October 8, 2010

Pirates of Color and Blond Thin White Heterosexual Women: Part 93 (now in 3D), aka "Gunfire at Falcon Lake"

this image is being used here for media analysis purposes only, as an expression of political speech, and is from here
I've written out my analysis of what the hell is going on with this case in my comment below. It has been modified a bit from the one I submitted to The Feminist Texican. With thanks to Melissa for posting what follows. Please click on the title below to link back to her blog. What is next is a video and commentary and analysis from Melissa. Then a very few comments (two) from readers of her blog. Then there's mine, which as usual is last and longest. While I get into it below, I'll state from the outset that I don't know what happened in this particular case. I've only got mass media as my source of information and if there's one thing they're known for not doing, it's telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. They aren't under any oath, and their investors want money, not social change. Exploitation and entertainment is the name of the capitalist media game. The stories all start and stop there.

To all who have been harmed by poverty, drug trade gun-fire, rape, and other forms of atrocity, my heart goes out to the loved ones of those who did not survive. Most of those victimised are of color. Many are women of color. And the U.S. media won't tell you a damn thing about any one of them--we won't ever learn their names, hear about their personal histories, watch their family members and other loved ones grieve, or understand how it came to be that they were in a violent place where guns manufactured in the U.S. were sent with the express purpose of firing bullets in order to kill people of color.

On the alleged Mexican pirate attack at Falcon Lake

6 October, 2010

Trigger warning. 

Today has a transcript of the interview portion here.

This is all just too bizarre.

I live in south Texas (I was actually going to go out to Falcon Dam with a friend a while back to check out the flooding) and hear stories of cartel/gang violence on a daily basis. Something about this woman’s story seems off when you compare it to all the stories you hear about cartel violence. For one, how would she have time to turn her jet ski around, see her husband was shot, try to pull him up onto her jet ski, and still be able to get away…all while being shot at from three boats? I could absolutely be wrong here, and perhaps she really did “luck” out and was able to barely make her escape, but it doesn’t sound right. Second, mutilated bodies turn up all the time. I really can’t see the cartels giving a shit if Hartley’s body is found, so I can’t picture them going back just so they could hide his body. (No, I’m not alleging anything here other than my opinion that her story sounds bizarre. I can’t imagine what the family is going through.)

As an aside: I just love how a young white woman is widowed in an attack by Mexicans, and it gets national news coverage. Yes, I’m gonna go there. Because innocent people are getting murdered on a daily basis. Women are being raped at gunpoint while their boyfriends/husbands/family members/friends are forced to watch. I went to dinner last month with my old high school friends and was stunned to learn that two of them had relatives who’d been kidnapped and held for ransom in Reynosa. Do you have any idea how surreal it is to sit at Olive Garden, have one friend disclose the fact that her uncle had been kidnapped, and then hear another friend at the other side of the table say, “Mine was too?” (Both of their relatives are safe now.)

Fucked up shit is happening. Daily. Less than 15 miles south of where I live. But because it’s happening to brown people–Mexicans, no less–the media doesn’t give a shit.

1. noemi | 6 October, 2010 at 10:46 am

I totally agree with you that its not being reported. The shit my dad tells me when he comes back from Nuevo Leon. My cousin right now is kidnapped, for weeks now. And there was no coverage at all when they hung men from trees near Cerralvo.

2. Darth Paul | 6 October, 2010 at 3:57 pm

I turned him over and he was shot in the head. And that’s when one of the boats came up to me. [I] had a gun pointed at me. [They] were trying to decide what to do with me, and then they left.”

Me digo el mudo…

I’m just gonna be coarse and suggest she had him offed and is trying to pin it on vague Mexican bogeymen. As indicated, violence is happening all the time on the frontera…what better place to have an ‘incident’ with your spouse of one year?

3. Julian | 8 October, 2010 at 12:54 am

I’ve heard her story. Apparently there are plenty of media opportunities to do so. For what it’s worth, I’m going to say I believe her account of what happened. And my condolences to her and his loved ones.

And I’m also going to say that when I first heard this story my first reaction was that this was yet another fu**ed up racist white male supremacist media story that was going to clog the airwaves–or whatever they are now–for weeks to come.

Why did I think that? Because this is not just A story. It is THE story that repeats in dominant U.S. media and in the dominant U.S. mind: something negative happens to an English-speaking woman, usually young–sometimes a girl–always “pretty” by corporate/advertising/pornographic standards, which means–necessarily and with very few exceptions–she’s white, blond, and thin. I already mentioned young, didn’t I? And white? And thin? And blond? Just checking. And not ever, ever a lesbian. And not ever, ever a butch woman of any sexual orientation. Oh, and always, always class-privileged. Always. Never poor. Not even once.

So here’s the deal: the media wants us all to look at these women, some women, a select few, over and over and over again, to prop up this one ideal of beauty while exploiting someone’s suffering, and to associate this beauty with suffering and with victimisation and various ideas that “she needs help”.

The perennial “she” has been kidnapped, raped, or something else that’s grim and terrible, always–ALWAYS–by “a foreigner”. If the foreigner isn’t an English-speaking, GREAT. And if the foreigner is male and of color, EVEN BETTER. Corporate media isn’t about to discuss any serious issues, like, say, white male supremacy and how it impacts what media covers and doesn’t cover. You’d think that all the dominant media would occasionally slip up and make the mistake of focusing on that, but no. We won’t hear about the fact that one in three American Indian women are raped in this country [in her lifetime] and that over 80% of the rapists are white het men. That’s not “news”. Truth is, it’s not “new”, but it ought to be news.

What we’ll get is yet another story that amps up U.S. white xenophobic racism, anti-Mexican/Mexico (or anti-Black, or anti-Muslim, or anti-Arab) sentiments, and plays to the heterosexist and racist pornographic imagination wherein bad things happen to good white (“good” and “white” being interchangeable) women, by bad, bad men (read: men who don’t speak English as a first language and who are darker than pale white people). “Dark” means bad.

The media IS HUNGRY for stories that will reinforce our racist government’s efforts to stigmatise people of color in order to reinforce white supremacy and uses of the U.S. military and police forces–as if white supremacy was in any danger of being harmed any time soon. (As if it wasn’t the U.S. government and corporations that are harming the hell out of non-rich white folks, and people of color of all classes. Hush my mouth!)

It’s Snow White and Sleeping Beauty all over again. All we need now are some white het male heroes on Aryan-white horses to save the day.

The reason the perennial “she” must be young is U.S. corporate advertisers have tons of non-recyclable shit to sell us all. So we’ve got to be trained on her face. We’ve got to note what “youth” looks like: it looks like a white woman, preferably blond; it doesn’t look fat; it looks more beautiful if very young. Because there’s another major enemy out there of white women (and women of color too)–AGE. Yes. Cue the “Jaws” theme music. AGE will get her. One day it will. If she and her white loved ones aren’t off’ed by some man of color in the mean time.

The O.J. Simpson story was so huge, so very, very, very huge, not only because he was famous. But because it so usefully reinforced in the dominant white imagination this idea that really, when you’re not looking, that dark man is gonna gitcha! And the “you” he’s gonna git is “pretty, white, blond, thin, female, heterosexual, and class-privileged”.

Now I’ll add that I believe O.J. Simpson horrifically battered and murdered Jessica Brown Simpson, and that he also callously and selfishly murdered Ron Goldman. The issue isn’t so much guilt or innocence. The issue is what to focus on so that we don’t have to pay attention to the deeper issues: the racist-misogynistic violence and terrorism that is U.S. foreign and domestic policy–the active maintenance of poverty, for one thing, which disproportionately wears the face of someone who is female and of color.

We’ve also got to not really notice–in so many words–the fact that we’re at it again in Asia–sixty-five-plus years and counting of terrorism, just because we can keep on murdering and raping, raping and murdering Asian people and pretend, against overwhelming evidence, it’s to protect white Amerikkka. And we have awards–medals of honor–to give some of our soldiers, if they live and if they don’t. (The U.S. military cares not one bit about its soldiers; it trains them to kill and to be killed, and if they complain about it they are called misogynistic names.)

And I say all of this while believing that this particular young woman is telling the truth. And, I could be wrong. I thought about the fact that maybe her husband was an abuser. That’s not because media portrays, stigmatises, and stereotypes hulky white het guys as perps of anything, mind you. It’s because I know lots of women and gay men of all colors who’ve been victimised by white het men.

In this latest story, I’ve wondered if maybe he, the white husband, was involved, himself, in drug runs. Perhaps not. We’ll see what we find out. Lorde knows the media won’t leave this alone. And they won’t PRECISELY for the reasons Melissa says: because the dominant U.S. media must not cover the deaths of women of color. They must not cover the deaths of men of color either. They will usually only cover the terrifying incidents of white women being systematically harmed (by white men) if the perp isn’t a white man.

And so we won’t get news about Iraqi citizens who’ve been raped and murdered by U.S. troops–unless, maybe, if the soldier is a Black or Brown man. And we won’t hear about what the West is really doing in Afghanistan, to women, to men, to children, to the land. And we won’t hear about how U.S. and European weapons are funneled to and furiously fuel every conflict around the world: from Central America to sub-Saharan Africa to cities and towns across the good ol’ U.S. of A.

We won’t be called to grieve the loss of any people of color. Not ever. Not in the white white West. If no one white was harmed, there was no crime, as far as dominant media is concerned. If only whites were harmed, and only people of color were the perpetrators, you’ll be hearing about it for weeks if not months, if not years, if not for centuries.

The U.S. media doesn’t have time to tell us anything that’s fundamentally and systematically wrong with the U.S. We’re too busy being enthralled with what happened in this latest case. And with the latest products to make our skin look years younger. Oh, and Lindsay Lohan and Lady GaGa.

Tuesday, June 22, 2010

Dr. Demento: Dix P. Poppas and his Cruel and Horrifyingly Usual Sexually Violent and Violating Perpetration of Girls and Intersex Children, and the U.S. History of A Few Atrocities against Women of Color

Dix P. Poppas, MD
[image is from here]

The professional version:

Dix P. Poppas, M.D. is Chief of Pediatric Urology at Children's Hospital of New York Presbyterian - Weill Medical College of Cornell University. He is the Richard Rodgers Associate Professor of Pediatric Urology in the James Buchanan Brady Department of Urology at Weill Medical College. Dr. Poppas holds joint appointments as Associate Professor of Pediatrics and Associate Professor of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery at Weill Medical College. His practice is limited to pediatric urology with special interest in genital reconstruction, laparoscopic and robotic surgery, intersex disorders and minimally invasive procedures for treating vesicoureteral reflux. Dr. Poppas has extensive experience in minimally invasive surgery and pediatric laparoscopy. He was chosen as one of the "Top One Hundred Minimally Invasive Surgeons in New York" and was the only pediatric urologist to be selected.

He serves as co-director of the Laboratory for Minimally Invasive Urologic Surgery where his efforts are focused on developing advanced laparoscopic and Robotic surgical techniques for tissue reconstruction using novel tissue sealants to replace sutures and staples during surgery, as well as investigating the mechanisms and potential treatments for inhibiting and reversing fibrosis in the obstructed kidney using antibodies and gene therapy strategies.

Dr. Poppas is a diplomate of The American Board of Urology, Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics and Fellow of the American College of Surgeons. He has been awarded The E. Darracott Vaughan Young Investigator Award by the National Kidney Foundation, The Edwin Beer Award of The New York Academy of Medicine, and was selected as an American Foundation for Urologic Disease/National Kidney Foundation Research Scholar.

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I recently learned of something happening in my country that is so vile that it makes me wonder which medial and political officials, and what other WHM's practices and laws, support such activity, and why the perpetrating doctor isn't immediately arrested. It's not that the overall policies of this country would prevent sexual violence against women and intersex people of all ages, sizes, colors, ethnicities, and sexualities. I'm not surprised that doctors in this country are doing that is grossly harmful and violatingly abusive to girls and intersex children. I am nonetheless horrified, however. The doctor is part of Cornell University, in a medical school in NYC. But before we get to him, let's familiarise ourselves with the history of white men's crimes against women's bodies, particularly against women of color.
 

The political version:

Forced Sterilization in America: It Inspired the Nazis and Went on Longer

The very first nation to take an official and organized approach to eugenics, involving forced sterilization of "undesirables," was the United States of America. Starting with Michigan in 1897, forced sterilization in the US lasted into the 1960's and was given Supreme Court approval in Buck v. Bell in 1927. More than 60,000 people considered undesirable, including the mentally ill, the "promiscuous," the poor, Native Americans and the physically disabled, were compulsorily sterilized under official policy in the United States. The very last state-sanctioned, forced sterilization program in the US was in Oregon, only ending in 1981.
According to the anthropological study of Judaism called Unsettled (reviewed here), the Nazi eugenics program in 1930's and 1940's Germany was inspired by and specifically modeled on America's eugenics program. Our shame was their inspiration.

America is certainly not alone in having as part of its history the forced sterilization of citizens based on junk science, but our programs were among the earliest and lasted the longest, though Nazi Germany easily surpassed us in terms of both numbers and enthusiasm.

Each forces sterilization has a face and a story going with it, and thanks to BBC news one woman is going very public regarding her secret and forced sterilization in the 1960's by official US policy...or, more specifically, official North Carolina policy. [The rest is here.]
See also, here at the organisation Libertad Latina. And here for an article on abuses in North America. And here at the Assata Shakur forum website, for an article on the illegal sterilisation of Black women in North Carolina.

I live in a country that tries its best--or worst--to make it seem like "atrocities" don't happen here. Not between our shores. The news media is complicit in demonising so many people who are not the ruling class here.

I have posted before about Columbus and Co. and their abuses of girls and women in the Americas. Note that "the Americas" implies more than one and that means the U.S. DOES NOT EQUAL "America". Our ruling class's arrogance does mean to have the world believe this. But "America" is a place that has rejected capitalism, if we're talking about many countries in South America. And "America" has national health care and a very low gun murder rate, if we're talking about Canada. The U.S. of A. is the most violent and predatory nation on Earth, but holds itself as the BEST.

What makes it NOT THE BEST is the harmful and oppressive practices it has made a bad habit of perpetrating.  Primarily this falls into two categories: men's abuses and subordination of women, and whites' abuses and subordination of people of color. Taken together, this means that white men rule and women of color resist. White het men rule over everyone but that's a dirty little secret men like Jeff would rather ignore. "Pay no attention to the WHM behind the curtain", is basically Jeff's message. And like in The Wizard of Oz, WHM are both much larger and much smaller than they make themselves out to be. This group seems to have the least grasp of the power it holds, collectively, and the responsibility it has to use that power to eradicate, rather than more deeply embed their historic atrocities against people they oppress.

What women of color have had to resist is both the same as and different than what white women here, and what men of color here, have had to fight against for survival. Noting this does not minimise the entirely disgusting things white het men find to do to white women and to men of color. From marital rape to lynching, white men in the U.S. have a long history of committing crimes against humanity. But women of color are not immune to any dreaded activity WHM conceive of to terrorise people for their race and gender.

Here is the post I did on the Savage Rapist Columbus.

Below is other information on what white het men have done to women of color inside the U.S.:
During the late 1960s and the early 1970s, a policy of involuntary surgical sterilization was imposed upon Native American women in the United States, usually without their knowledge or consent, by the federally funded Indian Health Service (IHS), then run by the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). It is alleged that the existence of the sterilization program was discovered by members of the American Indian Movement (AIM) during its occupation of the BIA headquarters in 1972. A 1974 study by Women of All Red Nations (WARN), concluded that as many as 42 percent of all American Indian women of childbearing age had, by that point, been sterilized without their consent. A subsequent investigation was conducted by the U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO), though it was restricted to only four of the many IHS facilities nationwide and examined only the years 1973 to 1976. The GAO study showed that 3,406 involuntary sterilizations were performed in these four IHS hospitals during this three-year period. Consequently, the IHS was transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services in 1978.

During this and earlier periods, similar involuntary sterilization programs were being performed on other women of color, among them Chicanas of the Los Angeles area (Acuña 2004). It is estimated that by 1966, one-third of the women of childbearing age on the island of Puerto Rico had been sterilized without their "informed consent." In addition, MULANEH (Mujeres Lationoamericanas de New Haven), a mainland Puerto Rican women’s organization, discovered that 44 percent of Puertorriqueñas in New Haven, Connecticut, had been sterilized by 1979. In Hartford, Connecticut, the figure stood at 51 percent. Women in Puerto Rico were also part of experimentation studies of the early birth control pill before it was released on the U.S. mainland. [The rest is here.]
With the above as the context, we now move to the current atrocity. I want to thank Melissa at The Feminist Texican [here] for posting about this nightmare, which was where I first learned about it. From there, I checked a blog I link to on Intersex people's human rights, here.

What follows is from the same blog, Intersex News:
June 18, 2010
A couple of days ago, Alice Dreger and Ellen K. Feder jointly posted a brief article (Bad Vibrations) on the Bioethics Forum of the Hastings Center’s website.

The piece picked up on an earlier article, Nerve Sparing Ventral Clitoroplasty: Analysis of Clitoral Sensitivity and ViabilityPDF here – published in 2007 by Jennifer Yang (a pediatric urologist), Diane Felsen (a pharmacologist) and Dix P. Poppas, M.D in The Journal of Urology.

Dreger and Feder’s piece focuses attention on Dr Poppas, a pediatric urologist at New York Presbyterian Hospital, Weill Medical College of Cornell University whose “special interest in genital reconstruction [and] surgical aspects of disorders of sexual development” has apparently led him to carry out a program of research on 51 girls aged between 4 months and 24 years old (mean age ± SD 4.6 ± 6.8 years) in which he performed nerve sparing ventral clitoroplasty, which included “followup testing of clitoral viability and sensation after clitoroplasty“. [Read the complete article here]


I honestly do not want to know more than this information tells me. I know about the many horrors men visit on children and adults. Having girls', intersex children's, and women's privacy invaded, bodies violated, and sexual organs medically traumatised is not something that ought to be a focus on a white man's blog in graphic detail, in my opinion. Beyond this post, I am not likely to discuss this again, other than to update the reader on what happens to Dr. Poppas.

Saturday, June 5, 2010

When Men Are Dickheads, They REALLY are Dickheads! See the kind of thinking dickheads do: Read these comments by AllenS and Jason, for example, and "Hoosier Daddy" (get it?), "Trooper York", and "Moose"...

[image of costume made just for 'em is from here]

The topic is men sexually harassing women in the workplace. Click on the title below to link to the post being responded to. My comment, as usual, is last.

""WHAT HATH CATHARINE MACKINNON WROUGHT? Woman Says Citibank Fired Her Because She Was Too Hot.""

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Blogger Pogo said...
Why blame Catharine MacKinnon? Because the ability to prevent hiring/firing at will through lawsuits was in part her creation, and this is an expected outgrowth of that. IN Europe, many companies refuse to hire for as long as possible because it is impossible to release them once employed. And we are headed down that road. Their are societal benefits to at-will employment that are rarely realized.
6/4/10 7:19 AM
Blogger traditionalguy said...
This must be a joke. She looks like a beautiful and gracious addition to any business, which they knew when they hired her. Another woman, maybe the wife of her boss, must be behind this sudden dress code. Firing her for being attractive is Un-American.
6/4/10 7:22 AM


Blogger AllenS said...
Back in the 70's a beautiful 18 year old honey started working for the company I worked at. It was summertime and she showed up at work wearing a tight fitting top (no bra) that accentuated her large breasts and big nipples. They sent her home to change clothes. She WAS a distraction. I asked her out immediately.
6/4/10 7:27 AM
Blogger Hagar said...
Not included in this photo shoot is a photo in an office power suit that clearly shows her as not only hot and curvaceous, but also not wearing a bra.
6/4/10 7:43 AM
Blogger Moose said...
Catharine MacKinnon was one of the worst things to come out of the UM I ever saw. Her and Andrea Dworkin defined the term deranged...
6/4/10 7:50 AM
Blogger traditionalguy said...
The extreme female figure shown off rather than hidden away is only a threat to cyber-droid half humans that are comuter trained into valuing only half modem and half Amish person units. She shows why the creepy Splice movie plot is so evil. We need to say don't fix what is not broken....and she shows off that a normal woman is totally not broken.
6/4/10 8:01 AM

Blogger rhhardin said...
She exudes incompetence. What's her name, Contessa Brewer, after Imus quietly fired her from news reader on the show, turned up in Page Six saying that Imus doesn't know how to handle beautiful women.
6/4/10 8:04 AM
Blogger Penny said...
More likely HIRED for being "hot".
6/4/10 8:06 AM

Blogger Pogo said...
I have no fear of being fired for being hot. My extreme averageness makes me nigh-invisible. People often think they have already met me because of it. I revel in my unhottitude. (Not like I have a choice.)
6/4/10 8:10 AM

Blogger Shanna said...
[Her two male] managers gave her a list of clothing items she would not be allowed to wear: turtlenecks, pencil skirts, and fitted suits. And three-inch heels. Turtlenecks and pencil skirts? Those are too sexy? I imagine she was wearing things a bit too tight and that was the actual problem, but this list is ridiculous. There does have to be a way to tell people they are wearing things that are too tight/inappropriate for work without getting in trouble, however telling one person (as opposed to the whole office) to not wear suits, turtlenecks and pencil skirts is going too far. We'll see what comes of this, I guess.
6/4/10 8:14 AM

Blogger Freeman Hunt said...
'I can't help it that I have curves,' Lorenzana told the Daily News. And I'm not going to go eat and gain 50 or 100 pounds because my job wants me to be the same size as everyone else.' That lack of tact makes me think that poor performance, as Citibank claims, was the reason for her firing. Also, her lawsuit seems to assume that no other attractive people work at Citibank. I find that hard to believe.
6/4/10 8:16 AM
Blogger traditionalguy said...
Rh...What does she exude? Whatever it is made her male colleagues suddenly incontinent. The Amish claim that they long ago solved this problem of beautiful women. But that only works in Pennsylvania and north. Down south we are surrounded by so many beautiful women that we have learned to stand up to the challenge and work well with them. Well maybe not in South Carolina.
6/4/10 8:22 AM
Blogger The Gold Digger said...
There were three receptionists in my building. Two middle-aged and matronly, the other in her early 20s with a figure that wouldn't quit. She wore tight (but mostly tasteful - not too short, not too low) dresses and always looked very done with high heels, long nails, and makeup. I chatted with all three women. I kept telling the hot one that she needed to tone it down. She wasn't violating the company's dress code, but every time an exec's wife (many of them former secretaries and 2nd wives - yes, this was a little Peyton Place) came in and saw her, the wife would not like the image. After three years, she was the one laid off when they had to make cuts. If there had been a performance issue, I would think that would have been addressed much earlier.
6/4/10 8:30 AM

Blogger rhhardin said...
Hotness is actually very stylized; you have to work to make it appear; and be incompetent to want it in your bank job.
6/4/10 8:33 AM
Blogger The Gold Digger said...
Down south we are surrounded by so many beautiful women that we have learned to stand up to the challenge and work well with them. My company moved its headquarters from New York to Memphis and hired a lot of local staff. Apparently, the men were happily astonished at southern women who wore makeup and flirted. I have never worked in New York, but I have visited Boston many times and am always a little bit shocked at the defiant refusal to enhance or even embrace feminine beauty there. (Notable exception: I was in Cambridge and saw two lovely young women dressed nicely with done hair and makeup. I got closer and heard them speaking Spanish and it all became clear. Latin women usually don't do hairy legs and Birkenstocks.)
6/4/10 8:34 AM

Blogger Fred4Pres said...
My wife believes her. She is an attractive woman and was hot when she worked in NYC. When she came in to the office, the women hated you and the men just leered. That said, my wife also said I cannot offer her a job. As for the lawsuit, I think she can find a better job. But if she is looking for publicity, this works too. Did you catch the Althouse like picture on Ace (below the fold)? Some of these posed photos fire up publicity but might also back fire.
6/4/10 8:37 AM

Blogger Calypso Facto said...
Maybe Trooper's got a position available for her at his shop?!? Just reward us with occasional photo journal updates!
6/4/10 9:06 AM

Blogger Scott M said...
All legal matters and high-brow scholarly discourse aside...and speaking purely from experience after years in an office environment, there are two indisputable truths about extremely hot women in the workplace (3 if you want to add the rarity of said hotness). 1) It IS extremely distracting to the males in the workplace. This has nothing to do with maturity or anything else other than biology. It's how we're wired. Maturity and experience can mitigate the outward results, but the internal mechanisms are the same. 2) This one is axiomatic. Regardless of whatever men might do (mostly covertly) in hotness situations like this, the women around her will be absolutely brutal. That's brutal spelled B-I-T-C-H-E-S. Don't argue the point, because everyone with even a modicum of experience in the dynamics of woman-on-woman catiness has seen this in action. As men, we're usually shocked at the severity, but that makes it none the less real.
6/4/10 9:17 AM

Blogger Freeman Hunt said...
The idea that people are treated badly in the office solely for being good-looking is, from what I have seen, baseless. If there is jealousy, the attractive woman has likely experienced that for a long time and should, by the time of professional life, be adept at navigating and defusing it. In fact, that would be part of being competent.
6/4/10 9:18 AM
Blogger Paul said...
Maybe she should get a job at an ad ad agency instead of at a financial institution. Lots of very attractive women in that business. Also, agencies tend to be about 50-50 male-female, so she wouldn't be constantly surrounded by guys ogling her (only half the time).
6/4/10 9:21 AM
Blogger ALP said...
The "must show my sexuality off at all times" mentality of women like this appears to be a strong feature of South American/Latin cultures. I have a good friend/co-worker from Brazil. I have the utmost respect for this woman. She came to the US with her husband, who abused her and threatened at one point to take their son away and return to Brazil without her. Long terrible story. She lives in a woman's shelter for a about a year, learning English, working and saving her money. She works her butt off as a legal assistant, and is a girlfriend with a heart of gold to her current boyfriend. Her views on men are realistic in terms of relationships - no gold digger here - she just wants a nice guy who is a good friend and a good dad to her kid. This woman has many qualities I admire. Yet, when we go out to lunch, this woman is distraught unless she can catch the eye of any of the men sitting in the restaurant. "We are two women sitting here without wedding rings, and NO ONE is looking at us!!!!" WTF? Why is this even relevant? She then puts on more lipstick, eye flirts the room, until she makes eye contact with SOME MAN, ANY MAN in the room. Once she does, her spirits are immediately, and very clearly lifted. This plays out whenever we go out in public. If she was an American woman, I would not tolerate this obsession with securing the male gaze and male attention from a companion. Further, she is also utterly heartless when it comes to criticizing what she feels to be the shortcomings of the sexual appeal of other women. Asian woman are a favorite target as they have, in the words of my friend, "nothing, NOTHING going on.... (gestures to hip and breast area). She simply cannot understand why a good looking man would be interested in a slim hipped, small breasted Asian woman. This ridiculous, 24/7, over-the-top sexual competitiveness is what leaps out at me when I read this article. This woman is saying: "I am a sexy woman FIRST, FOREMOST - and this is the most important aspect of my existence - the fact that I have to provide some type of banking service is merely secondary. Please do not ask me to back down, ever, from this crucial sexual battle I am fighting with other members of my gender" Good lord woman, give it a rest.
6/4/10 9:29 AM

Blogger Freeman Hunt said...
Yes, I think it might be important to distinguish between very attractive women and "must show my sexuality off at all times," as ALP described, women. I don't think that being in the first category will hurt one's career at all. Being in the second category, however, might.
6/4/10 9:33 AM

Blogger Bruce Hayden said...
The woman is, in short, trying to assert her inalienable right to sexually stimulate all the males in the office and make all the other women insanely jealous. I wouldn't think that to be all that advantageous for the business itself. What will be quite humorous is when, in 20 years or so, maybe even sooner, she is on the other side of this debate. I do think though that women have to decide what they, as a group, want here. Do they want to be treated as androgynous people? Or as sex objects who capitalize on their ability to sexually stimulate all the males around them? They can't have it both ways, since it is close to a zero-sum game. The easy answer would be to make sure that women don't go out of their way to sexually stimulate all the males around (and therefore causing extreme jealousy in all the other women). But, if this woman's law suit succeeds, then that may not be a viable solution (or, maybe businesses like that should just not hire good looking young women who dress to exploit their sexuality). Part of the problem is that female sexuality is a rapidly depreciating asset. It was designed that way, in order to marry off young women and then clear the field for the next batch. And that wouldn't be a problem if women weren't divorcing and delaying marriage at such high rates. But they are, which means a lot of less attractive women on the market, and more Alpha males who can be subverted away from their wives or current girl friends. I do find it humorous though that this is counterposed to the recent lawsuits by Hooter's girls who became a bit heavy for their T-shirts and skimpy shorts, and were let go when they didn't take the weight off. This says to me that women should pick whether they wish to work in a job where male sexual stimulation is advantageous or not advantageous for the business, depending on whether they, themselves, were capable of, and wished to exploit, their capability to sexually stimulate all the males in the vicinity. Then we wouldn't have women working in banks who should be working at Hooter's, and visa versa.
6/4/10 9:40 AM

Blogger Scott M said...
Then we wouldn't have women working in banks who should be working at Hooter's, and visa versa. ...well, THAT'S not a can o' worms...
6/4/10 9:46 AM

Blogger Bruce Hayden said...
Yes, I think it might be important to distinguish between very attractive women and "must show my sexuality off at all times," as ALP described, women. I think that I can understand Freeman's point here, esp. from the photo she uses. And, I agree. My significant other has spent her life hiding her large chest combined with her thin waist (ok, not quite as thin now that she is in her 50s, but still very noticeable). And pants suits instead of skirts so as not to accentuate her dancer's legs. Female sexuality can be played up or played down. The more that a woman has, the more it needs to be played down in many business settings. It is just to distracting for all concerned. Sure, I can emphasize with the woman's desire to have all the men in heat around her at all times, and all the women insanely jealous at the same time. It obviously makes her feel great. The problem is that that likely comes at a high cost in efficiency to her employer. WV: Trophers - Could we be talking about certain large secondary sexual characteristics in reference to this discussion?
6/4/10 9:53 AM
Blogger traditionalguy said...
The answer my friends is blowing in the wind. How many roads must a beautiful woman walk down in 3 inch heels and enlarged breasts before you call her a valuable person? The answer used to be show no ankles and neck high tops... and a veil if necessary...but we are not under that restraint anymore. I blame Jane Russell and Farah Fawcett for freeing the women's sex appeal. Now, why do we think it is a problem again? Are the Muslim prayer/chanting Towers being built in the neighborhoods?
6/4/10 10:01 AM
Blogger Lance said...
A lot of people in this thread are buying Lorenzana's side of the complaint. I think that's a stretch, given Citi's strong denial. Also Lorenzana herself accuses other women at Citi of "dressing equally or more provocatively than she." If that's the case, why would she be singled out? That's not to say Citi won't offer her a settlement, just to make the bad publicity go away.
6/4/10 10:44 AM
Blogger GMay said...
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6/4/10 10:45 AM
Blogger lemondog said...
I'm Too Sexy
6/4/10 10:47 AM

Blogger Hoosier Daddy said...
If that photo slideshow of her is indicative of how she dressed for work then I will say that the morons at Citibank have some serious problems. If she was wearing some cootch displaying Allie McBeal skirt I could probably understand but give me a break.
6/4/10 11:00 AM
Blogger pm317 said...
so many questions.. So can I sue Fox now if they don't hire me because I am not sexy enough and don't wear those cleavage showing blouses? Or if I am a company could I explicitly include no cleavage showing deep neck blouses as part of the dress code so I can answer this woman by saying "I told you not to wear that" or should I pretend, we women feminists have arrived and can show all cleavage we want and then sue the company if they fire me (maybe for other reasons) that they fired me because I was sexy. I never liked this new trend of low cut blouses and would never wear them to work -- imagine standing in front 40 some young men and trying to teach them databases wearing something "hot" and calling attention to myself and not databases. Not even the ardent feminist in me would want to do that.
6/4/10 11:07 AM
Blogger edutcher said...
I wasn't that impressed with her looks. Sooner or later, the issue of competence arises and that's the problem. Can she pull her weight? We had 2 women like that at one point and the one who did her share of the work (in hot pants and snug tops she filled magnificently) was universally liked. The other wasn't. So cattiness may play a part, but, if it was any place like where I worked, someone who's coasting on her looks and always trying to get one of the younger guys to do her work will not cut the ice with anybody for very long.
6/4/10 11:11 AM

Blogger Shanna said...
The idea that people are treated badly in the office solely for being good-looking is, from what I have seen, baseless. I think they are likely to be treated better as they are to be treated worse. Although older women/younger women can be an annoying dynamic. If she was an American woman, I would not tolerate this obsession with securing the male gaze and male attention from a companion. Maybe it has something to do with the way Brazilian men act. When I was in France, for example, men stared all the time. I think we have encouraged American men not to stare like that, or it is just culturally not the same. Maybe when you are used to it maybe it freaks you out not to get it. IDK.
6/4/10 11:18 AM

Blogger Scott M said...
Maybe it has something to do with the way Brazilian men act. When I was in France, for example, men stared all the time. I think we have encouraged American men not to stare like that, or it is just culturally not the same. Maybe when you are used to it maybe it freaks you out not to get it. IDK. Definitely cultural. If you think what you cited was bad, try driving in heavy traffic in a Saudi Arabian city with two blonde American women in your car. It was definitely spooky from an American males' point of view. Especially if a bus stopped next to us.
6/4/10 11:21 AM
Blogger ALP said...
With regards to my Brazilian friend, I cut her all kinds of slack in the way she relates to the opposite sex - its the way she was brought up. But I wish you could see how emotionally and psychologically charged she gets by the attention. I simply could not imagine having to fish for validation constantly from my environment, from total strangers (disclosure: my introversion is showing). It puts your state of mind and mood in the hands of random people you don't know - it concedes too much emotional power, IMHO. I think in the US there is a time and a place for this type of sexual competition: nightclubs, swank restaurants, parties, ect... we compartmentalize it. The bank or the workplace is not the place, unless you are in the business of selling attractiveness and sex in the first place (fashion, entertainment...)
6/4/10 11:43 AM
Blogger Shanna said...
I do think though that women have to decide what they, as a group, want here. Women are not a monolithic group, and cannot decide what “they” want any more than men can.
6/4/10 11:50 AM

Blogger The Crack Emcee said...
"Not included in this photo shoot is a photo in an office power suit that clearly shows her as not only hot and curvaceous, but also not wearing a bra." Yea, I caught that one, too. Fuck her. Couple her lack of seriousness with the guys' brain-dead va-va-va-voom attitude and the whole thing is nothing more than an attention-getting farce. I asked it before and I'll ask it again: Who cares? Oh yea: Instapundit. That means it must be important, or interesting, or (here's the truth) insulting to my intelligence. Some people can't help but be part of the problem.
6/4/10 12:22 PM
Blogger Revenant said...
Well, I have no opinion on whether the allegations she's making are true or not. But she's certainly hot!
6/4/10 12:28 PM
Blogger kalmia said...
I think this "causing extreme jealousy to all the other women" assertion is what's a little extreme. I take exception to it anyway. The last time I was an employee, I worked with a young woman (I'll call her T.) who was very hot and flirtatious. She worked as a product manager in a high-tech industry with other product managers (all male), whereas I was a lone technical writer, writing white papers and application notes. I sat next to them and often worked with them, so I observed it all. The men were definitely aroused and distracted by her--she really did flaunt it--but she was extremely good at her job. She caught on technically very quickly (no easy feat), and was far better than any of them at communicating, presenting, and writing. I'm just average looking--nothing spectacular--and I don't dress up for work. I got along with T. just fine. In fact, I really appreciated her. She was smart and competent, and it made my job easier. I'm not aware of any other woman in that office who was bothered by her, either. If they were, then they kept it to themselves. If T. made them feel insecure about their own femininity or attractiveness, they handled it privately. Nobody was ever mean or "catty" to her. We were all professionals, rooted in our own lives, careers, relationships, and families. And it's not just at that company. I'm now a contractor and since then have worked in dozens of other high-tech companies. There's almost always some young woman in any large office who flaunts her sexuality, but I've never once witnessed her female co-workers being "brutal" or anything but polite to her. We all live and work in the real world and we're real people, not SATC characters. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm sure that some women at work are jealous and catty towards women who flaunt their sexuality, just as I'm sure that some men make crude and cruel sexual jokes about them. But this kind of bad behaviour is certainly not so ubiquitous as to be axiomatic. And I suspect that, unlike T., the woman in this article was more of a distraction than an asset to the company.
6/4/10 12:32 PM
Blogger traditionalguy said...
This poor lady has to go thru her life as a brunette and not a blonde. Therefore she needs for the Bank to cut her some slack...after all she is handicapped.
6/4/10 12:35 PM

Blogger Trooper York said...
"Calypso Facto said... Maybe Trooper's got a position available for her at his shop?!? Just reward us with occasional photo journal updates!" Funny you should mention that because I am looking to hire someone but I am not having any luck. As anyone who owns a small business can attest, hiring and firing is one of the hardest parts of owning a small business. Every single employee I have ever hired has been a problem in one way or another. The first girl I hired was a big time flirt and always dressed very provocatively. I guess much like the subject of this article. So the UPS and Post Office guy and eventually cops would show up to flirt. You have to love throwing cops out of your store when they can write you tickets if there is a candy wrapper outside your store. Plus the customers hated her. Another girl always came to work looking like an unmade bed. She wore winkled clothing and proudly said "I love hats. You can wear them when you don't feel like washing your hair." Plus most of the customers scieved her. When you look horrible how can you advise someone on how to look good? Plus size models often shop in the store and ask if they can pick up some hours between gigs since they are sometimes few and far between. So we gave one a chance. She spent more time looking in the mirror than helping customers. When we had a trunk show she was so busy networking and not working that I had to fire her on the spot. Plus the customers hated her. One of the workers I have now has never been on time. Not once. She is never been less than ten minutes late and her record was four hours. She has been with me since day one and is a loyal employee. She does a lot of the physical work in the store like steaming the garments and stocking the racks. So I let the lateness slide more or less and only bark at her when she is more than an hour late. She also sucks at selling but listen you can’t have everything. Working hard without complaining is surprisingly rare. Doesn’t that seem strange in this economy? I know a lot of you are gonna say you gotta do this or you gotta do that. But you can’t replace something with nothing. Often the change is worse than what you had in the first place. You fix one problem and then you get a new one. So when Popo talks about how they want to change the “at-will” provisions, it scares the shit out of small business people. You have to be able to fire people without going to court every freaking time. Otherwise you won’t ever hire anyone, just as Pogo said. So I don’t think I want to hire this girl. Sorry
6/4/10 1:00 PM
Blogger kalmia said...
@ALP: Your friend sounds like what Jung would call an "anima woman."
6/4/10 1:02 PM
Blogger Blue@9 said...
I don't understand the business rationale of firing the hot chick instead of the douchebags who can't function around said hot chick. They work in a commercial bank branch, yes? In that case, hot lady bank reps are always an asset. If I need to do business at a bank, I don't mind walking a few blocks out of my way to go to the branch that has the really nice but smoking hot chick. Really, it makes all the difference in the world during a stressful day. Also, how do these guys operate? When a hot woman customer comes in, do they just stare at boobies and drool? Shouldn't the bank be concerned that it has male employees who are incapacitated by hotness? It reminds me of when I was at a big law firm. Every summer my buddy and I would take out the new summer associate class and get them hammered at some bar. The point wasn't just to show them a good time--We wanted to see who could drink and still maintain a professional demeanor. It's a business necessity in a world where you drink with clients. An attorney who can down four drinks and still converse normally is an asset. One who starts taking off his shirt is not. Similarly, I would think that the ability to function around hot girls is an asset, whereas incapacitation is not.
6/4/10 1:09 PM
Blogger MamaM said...
I find her statement, "I can't help it that I have curves, to be more revealing than her outfits. All women have curves of one kind or another.
6/4/10 1:24 PM
Blogger howzerdo said...
I feel sympathetic to her claim, but then I hate Citibank, so I am probably biased.
6/4/10 2:00 PM
Blogger muddimo said...
Jeez, what a bunch of jerks. There is nothing wrong with the clothes she wears in the photos. "Flaunting her sexuality"? "Must show my sexuality off at all times"? Jealous much? It's her body and she has every right to dress in fashionable clothes. If she looks better in them than most, go see a psychiatrist if it gives you conniptions. The problem is in you.
6/4/10 3:30 PM
Blogger muddimo said...
Ditto what Blue@9 said.
6/4/10 3:32 PM




Blogger Luke Lea said...
Ann's jealous? Or just exploiting this other hottie to get more attention? Either way is ok by me!
6/4/10 4:07 PM

Blogger Bruce Hayden said...
Jeez, what a bunch of jerks. There is nothing wrong with the clothes she wears in the photos. "Flaunting her sexuality"? "Must show my sexuality off at all times"? Jealous much? It's her body and she has every right to dress in fashionable clothes. If she looks better in them than most, go see a psychiatrist if it gives you conniptions. The problem is in you. No, the problem is the other employees, male and female, as well as customers - though I might concede that if her looks and sexuality bring in more customers (and, in particular, more deposits), then that may be sufficient to overcome the costs of her on the employee side.
6/4/10 4:35 PM
Blogger MamaM said...
In the pictures, she appears to exude a strong confidence in her sexuality and physical attractiveness. I would consider such confidence to be an asset if it were balanced with awareness and respect. If her job required her to engage with the public as a representative of Citibank, then it might have been wise for her to determine what image the company valued or regarded to be work appropriate if she wished to remain in their employ. There are lots of different ways curves of all kinds can be artfully, attractively and professionally presented.
6/4/10 5:25 PM
Blogger Blue@9 said...
No, the problem is the other employees, male and female, as well as customers - though I might concede that if her looks and sexuality bring in more customers (and, in particular, more deposits), then that may be sufficient to overcome the costs of her on the employee side. Speaking as a man, papers are always more fun to sign when a Homeric set of busoms are resting on them.
6/4/10 5:36 PM
Blogger Joe said...
I'm amazed at how many people simply buy into her story. I'm not siding with Citibank; I'm simply reserving judgment to find out what the actual story is and am betting it's not what's being claimed.
6/4/10 9:49 PM
Blogger Jason said...
Shit... You New Yorkers must be plagued with a lot of ugly women! She's a typical office worker down here in Miami. Actually, in a lot of upscale offices, she'd be below the average. Dime a dozen down here. Yo amo Florida! WV: "crevi." It was thinking about "crevice," but then thought better of it.
6/5/10 12:03 AM
Blogger Jason said...
Let's take a closer look at those breasts!
6/5/10 12:04 AM
Blogger Issob Morocco said...
Can we just blame the education system at the University of Michigan? Methinks that is the root of the evil MacKinnon has wrought.
6/5/10 9:30 AM
Blogger Julian Real said...
What's more of a social problem? Men who sexually harass women and male bosses who tell women "If you don't have sex with me, you're fired", or women working to make there are laws that make that harassment illegal? What's worse? Men raping women (some men raping some women: white men are 80% of the rapists of Native American women--you know that, right? And that one in three Native American women will be raped? See the Amnesty International report for the gross details)or women fighting to stop rapists from getting away with it? What's worse? Men beating up women to the point of breaking their bones and requiring hospitalisation, or women striving to make men doing that accountable? What's worse? White men traveling to many places in Asia to "have sex" with children, trafficking children, enslaving children--mostly female--or feminists fighting to stop this practice? Methinks the problem is the abuses and atrocities against women men have wrought for centuries and millennia, that men don't care about stopping and pretend aren't going on "as much as feminists say it is". Because women's speech is always more dangerous than men's actions, right? (Wrong.) And because it happening as much as it does isn't worth working to stop, right men? (Wrong.) Why don't men stop one another from raping women--and men and boys and girls? From battering women? From street harassing women? From harassing women in offices and factories? From incesting girls? From trafficking and sexually enslaving millions of girls and women? Are you collectively not smart enough to figure out how to stop other men from committing these crimes against humanity? You sure know how to organise when women try and stop you from doing whatever you want wherever and whenever you want to, that violates women's human rights. I realise not ALL men do these awful things. I'm talking about the millions of men who do and the men who don't call other men out for doing it. (In my experience, that combination amounts to at least 95% of men.) Boys, have you got smart answers to those questions? Or just smart-ass ones? Or do you just want to keep on pretending that the social problem is women fighting for women's human rights to not be treated in obnoxious, harmful, domineering, disgusting, and dehumanising ways by men? No, not ALL men. Just the men who do some or all that AND the men who don't, but who bash feminists online and offline, and who blame feminism for your woes, rather than calling out heterosexual brothers, fathers, step-fathers, heterosexual male neighbors, and the heterosexual male friends who DO rape, batter, incest, traffic, pimp, procure, and harass women. What's stopping you all from holding other men accountable? Oh, right: you're too busy pretending the problem here is one woman who effectively legally fights men's assumed right to sexually harass women. Grow up, boys. Grow a brain, grow a heart, and grow some courage. You make very good wizards in making social harm disappear, but you make terrible human beings unless and until you call out other men who mistreat women in deplorable ways that women DO NOT treat men in ways that are "a social problem".
6/5/10 4:50 PM