Wednesday, February 17, 2010

MutherFuckerForLies, aka "MotherForTruth" on how the raped are responsible for being raped

 
[image of anti-rape poster by men's anti-rape group is from here]

I encourage anyone who is anti-rape to visit this website and respond to this piece of writing in need of feminist analysis, titled:

Concern over 'Women say some rape victims should take blame' survey

Below is a comment posted to that "discussion". And below that is my reply, calling out that pro-rape het-man. Please add your comments.


MotherForTruth

  • It is not ok to rape someone.
    But what is considered a rape? It is not so simple. Our emotions interfere to see clearly and we tend to react to the word “rape” picturing a bad guy taking advantage of this poor innocent girl.
    In my opinion it is not what she is wearing or how she talks it's the intent of attracting sexual advances. I hear first-hand stories all the time.

    Picture this party; heavy drinking, sex games, stripping, dancing with sexual intent where a female turns her back towards the male and shaking her body against him. Now all heavily drunk the two have sex. The next morning she regrets the whole thing. Was she raped? She wants to put the blame on him because it's easier for her to be a victim then facing the circumstances of her actions.

    In this scenario I believe there was a consensual sex not rape. But all too often such circumstances resulting in women claim rape. We now have laws allowing prosecution of men having sex with intoxicated woman and the law is blind on one eye by ignoring that the man was also intoxicated. Resulting in men in prison and registered sex offender for life while she can go on to another party.
    Rape charges like these take away from real victims of rape who do need to come forward and get help.

    Well known radical feminists view on rape is as followed, it's up to each of us to follow these beliefs or not.

    " all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent"(Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies, p. 129.)

    "All men are rapists and that's all they are"(Marilyn French Author, "The Women's Room”, and advisor to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign)

    "All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."(Catherine MacKinnon)

    "Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience."(Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time, June 3, 1991, p. 52.)

julianreal
responding to
  • MotherForTruth:"In my opinion it is not what she is wearing or how she talks it's the intent of attracting sexual advances."

    Rape is not AT ALL about the intentions of those who are raped, but ENTIRELY ABOUT the effect of the rapers on those they violate and harm.

    "Picture this party; heavy drinking, sex games, stripping, dancing with sexual intent where a female turns her back towards the male and shaking her body against him. Now all heavily drunk the two have sex. The next morning she regrets the whole thing. Was she raped? She wants to put the blame on him because it's easier for her to be a victim then facing the circumstances of her actions."

    Get this:
    As Andrea Dworkin once famously said about date-rape victims:
    the punishment for getting drunk with a frat boy and taking him to your room should be a hangover, not rape.


    "In this scenario I believe there was a consensual sex not rape. But all too often such circumstances resulting in women claim rape. We now have laws allowing prosecution of men having sex with intoxicated woman and the law is blind on one eye by ignoring that the man was also intoxicated."

    In your fake scenario, you get to believe whatever you want. And so what? If a drunk driver hits another drunk driver, does that means there was no accident? And if drunk driver A kills drunk driver B, is B not dead because they also were drunk?

    If I start to have sex because I want to, and then stop, and say I want to and he doesn't respect it, then guess what? That's rape. See here for more:


    http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-...

    By your logic no harm is can be done if two people are drunk. Well that lets all rapists know how to get away with it, doesn't it? Just get the woman [and yourself, the rapist] drunk. (Hmmm. And how many frat boys and guys out at a bar do exactly that?)

    "Resulting in men in prison and registered sex offender for life while she can go on to another party."

    Not likely. Most rapes aren't reported and most reported rapes don't result in a conviction. Even a woman with a knife at her neck who was raped will have a hard time proving it. Because people like you will say she intended to have sex. He won't be harmed at all, but she will be called a "wh*re" and a "sl*t" and be told she now deserves to be raped, and she'll be threatened and probably raped by some jerks who are pissed because she "falsely" accused a man who DID date raped her. And he's not even likely to see jail time! So get a clue, please, about how rape prosecution really works... for men who rape, not for women who are raped.

    "Rape charges like these take away from real victims of rape who do need to come forward and get help."

    Comments like yours take away from believing any woman who is date raped.


    "Well known radical feminists view on rape is as followed, it's up to each of us to follow these beliefs or not."

    You're statements that follow are "false accusations" (lies) that are typically passed around the internet without any fact-checking. They were never said by Catharine MacKinnon, whose misspelled name you copied and pasted without correcting. (Hint: That's how you know she didn't say it: the misogynist misquoter can't even spell the name right!)

    " all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent"(Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies, p. 129.)

    That's not one of CathArine A. MacKinnon's books, first of all. And she never said it. Ever. Or wrote it down. Try and find it in one of her books or speeches: you won't.

    "All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."(Catherine MacKinnon)

    That's not a comment ever made by MacKinnon either. Your credibility as a commenter--and you are a man, not a woman at all, by the way--is busted.


    Check this out for some truth-telling about what MacKinnon did and didn't say and write, and please note how to spell her name, so the next time you copy and paste lies here, you can at least correct that inaccuracy, while you seek to promote the rest:

    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinnon.asp


    Guess what? You lied. Now how many people have you harmed by doing so?

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