tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post7042616322601842013..comments2024-03-13T11:14:26.768-04:00Comments on A Radical Profeminist: Illegal Aliens and Housing Foreclosures: The Historical ConnectionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-8656167888765330782009-04-05T15:27:00.000-04:002009-04-05T15:27:00.000-04:00Thank you, Together into the Abyss, for putting Gu...Thank you, Together into the Abyss, for putting Gudrun Schyman's political statements into the context (especially the time period) in which they were said.<BR/><BR/>Translation has a political agenda too, including from language language, and from radical activists' political speeches to mainstream press summaries. And thank you again, Christina, for bringing this whole matter into the discussion, for it has allowed us to make the conversation more international, and also raises many important points.<BR/><BR/>For more on this matter of the politics of translation, please see Sexual/Textual Politics, by Toril Moi.<BR/><BR/>Because Together into the Abyss's link for us did not register as an HTML code/link, I'll do so in a separate post, as I don't think I can HTML code anything in the commments section here. :(Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-76410622965895497812009-04-04T16:53:00.000-04:002009-04-04T16:53:00.000-04:00Hello Christina and Julian.Before the sumary do i ...Hello Christina and Julian.<BR/><BR/>Before the sumary do i want to point out to remember that Gudrun was back then the representaive of the Left-party. So whatever she says in it should also be seen as related to what stances the party had made on various topics. I try to add extra info when needed about the politics around 2002 in sweden.<BR/><BR/>The speech(that was made 2002) in short begins with a critique against the "war on terror". She also points towards how violence and humiliation related to aggression from, among other places, US foreign affairs provoked things like 9/11.<BR/><BR/>She then goes over to saying that it is more common for men to react to terorizing and humiliation by striking back with terror of their own making. And the reason for that is male gender roles("the myth of masculinity").<BR/><BR/>I think this part of the speech is quite vital so ill translate it as a whole.<BR/><BR/>"Real security and safety will not be achived, until the male society* abandon the norms of confrontation and victory, dominance, control and strenght."<BR/><BR/>*= It would be easier to understand in a translation if she said patriarchy, but i try to keep as close as i can to the original sentence.<BR/><BR/>She then makes connections between the people fighting in the gothenburg riots during the EU-meeting and 9/11(the whole parlamentary-left was werry clear with taking a stance against the autonomous left and all kinds of non-violent uprising or self defence after the controverseys related to the struggles between cops and civilians during the gothenburg demonstration).<BR/><BR/>"Discrimination and humiliation looks diferent depending on where we are. But its the same norm and the same structure, that is repeated by Talibans in Afghanistan as here in Sweden."<BR/><BR/>She is not realy saying anywhere in the text tough that swedish white men is just like the taliban(although that is the impression that any news article on it would give, but she asks the audience that, as a question tough). Rather that the opression is the same and she brings up some similarities(that most violence against wimen happens inside of the nuclear family in sweden, no matter if the husband is muslim or not). <BR/><BR/>And she does bring up how white imperialism opress wimen all over the world. But in a typical leftist tradition is she turning America into the main player in it.<BR/><BR/>One main reason that she refers to swedish males, american war on afghanistan and the gothenburg riots is that it is topics that she has to bring up as a representative for her party, since it is a parlamentary speech at the opening of their 2002 congres.<BR/><BR/>Here is the whole speech in swedish. <BR/>Maybie you can get a decent translation by using a program like babelfish or such.<BR/><BR/>http://www.helgo.net/enar/politik/talibantalet.html<BR/><BR/>Hope this is to some help.<BR/><BR/>/ RespectTogether into the Abysshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10420789824249934568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-46721692817279829772009-04-04T14:51:00.000-04:002009-04-04T14:51:00.000-04:00I have a contact in Sweden, a male radical profemi...I have a contact in Sweden, a male radical profeminist anarchist. I'll ask him about this. He's written to me about Gudrun Schyman and gender politics in Sweden. As you may know, they have passed the toughest (um, meaning BEST) law to make trafficking, procuring, and pimping of women not only illegal, but illegal if any Swedish man does it outside the border of Sweden!<BR/><BR/>Get going, rest of the West!Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-77666777078520517372009-04-03T15:01:00.000-04:002009-04-03T15:01:00.000-04:00You are right in that White Western men are centra...You are right in that White Western men are centralised, normalised, idealised etc. <BR/>Therefore many people don’t see white men and their actions as something bad but rather as something quite normal<BR/> I believe that Gudrun Schyman’s comments were not meant to be taken as an exact comparison but rather to try and show those ignorant of white male racism and sexism that there is a very real problem. <BR/>The fact that she only referred to White Swedish men would suggest that there is a very real problem in Sweden with regards to racism and sexism been perpetrated by the white males towards the women and minoritiesChristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03409494179906849654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-73748912080261503172009-04-02T18:41:00.000-04:002009-04-02T18:41:00.000-04:00I don't see white Western men as being like the me...I don't see white Western men as being like the men in the Taliban for many reasons.<BR/><BR/>Primarily, the Taliban is not that old an oppressive group of men, going back only as far as 1996.<BR/><BR/>I think those of us who are white have to be careful when comparing Western men to non-Western men, and white men to men of color. <BR/><BR/>In my view, there is no group to compare white Western men to, because other groups of men that are named (or identify as) "terroristic" are usually marginal, extremist, and commit atrocities in small regions of the world.<BR/><BR/>White Western men are centralised, normalised, idealised, are "the [white male supremacist] standard" for what it means to be human, are conventional, are not generally viewed in the West as terroristic, are not scapegoated by more powerful groups as THE GREATEST THREAT TO FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY (as has been the Taliban), and white Western men's institutions and industries create rape and death everywhere. <BR/><BR/>The Taliban has nowhere near the global power and capacity to commit atrocities that white Western men do, and get away with without even being identified as "the problem group".Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-20264467621117888342009-04-01T05:02:00.000-04:002009-04-01T05:02:00.000-04:00The Taliban want to take over Afghanistan so that ...The Taliban want to take over Afghanistan so that they can continue viciously oppressing women there.<BR/>Back in 2002 Swedish Marxist feminist politician Gudrun Schyman said (White) Swedish men were just like the Taliban. I think she did not go far enough. She should have said white western men are just like the Taliban as they oppress women and non white ethnic groups all over the world.Christinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03409494179906849654noreply@blogger.com