tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post4067145902374651823..comments2024-03-13T11:14:26.768-04:00Comments on A Radical Profeminist: Navajo Women and Uranium Mine Poisoning: where Violence Against Women is a mutli-layered issueUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-11910900308943022142009-10-30T20:15:47.152-04:002009-10-30T20:15:47.152-04:00Not sure if this is the right place to post this (...Not sure if this is the right place to post this (feel free to move it to a more appropriate entry if you like) but the linked article by Joel Kovel is, I believe, an excellent piece that attempts to uncover the origins of patriarchy and male somination, the origin of which he locates in the sexual division of labor. Would be interested to know what you think.<br />http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/13/gender-power-continued-book-excerpt-the-enemy-of-nature-by-joel-kovel/Shaukathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12333493321824995776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-52290664206551691842009-10-28T18:39:43.894-04:002009-10-28T18:39:43.894-04:00P.S. I have never personally known a lesbian who w...P.S. I have never personally known a lesbian who was battered by another lesbian. I have known hundreds of white women who are honest about their racism, and I've seen lesbians work harder on racism and classism than all women combined. I see men work on racism, but not on sexism. Men can't work on sexism, they need to just be isolated away from women, maybe they'd figure out something on their own. The minute women are in the mix, men become idiots, they just turn on this switch in their heads.<br /><br />We have seen what men do when feminism becomes powerful. They react, they don't create, they don't volunteer to be the servants, they always want to be in control. Their control obsession is what makes feminism incomprehensible to every man I have ever met. It's not a philosophy for men, it is about women's freedom.<br /><br />We need to challenge men more and more to change themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-4791171210027192782009-10-28T18:24:20.522-04:002009-10-28T18:24:20.522-04:00I think if you strip away the romanticism often at...I think if you strip away the romanticism often attached to a white view of native american men, you'll see a completely different historical tale. It's why I believe that there is something inherently wrong with men across time and culture. We see men murdering each other in inter-tribal raids, we see maintaining tribal supremacy, and tribal leadership. Whether it is the 16th century or the 20th century, you have to look at cultures and what they were like before white men ever visited different parts of the world.<br /><br />Something tells me that Azttec men or Mayan men were no prince charmings.<br /><br />It's why I believe in the consistency of men's opposition to the full development and renaissance of women worldwide. Even the word renaissance is such a joke if you look at it from a woman's point of view.<br /><br />Since I didn't start out in the American feminist movement, I wasn't involved with what white women and black women were dealing with. I guess it's why I don't relate to the idea that white people are all that much different from non-white people. I think a better analogy would be looking at majority vs. minority interests.<br /><br />Men create artificial women's minorities by freezing women out of the public sphere in a variety of ways -- domineering behavior, debating and silencing women, freezing women out of business opportunities, paying men more just because they are men..only hiring a few token women after millions have been spent on lawsuits, and that old favorite, isolating women in homes, beating the stuffing out of them, preventing their psychological development free of male influence and control.<br /><br />The groups I'm talking about these days are largely interracial women's groups, both straight and lesbian. I've been a minority within non-white lesbian groups, and I can say that every time, the common denominator is simply the ease of the work or cultural or political environment when men are simply not there.<br /><br />Add men, and women get off track. I really think that most men think only of women as sex objects, or care givers, old men marry young women so that someone takes care of them in old age. Women's energy is simply used up in service to what?<br /><br />I have always been an advocate for women only environments, and whether it's all lesbian groups or all women's groups or different racial combinations, the key is the unity of women.<br /><br />I think the assumption of this blog is about a feminism that is American, rather than about a feminism and women's separatist movements that are international.<br /><br />Men do everything in their power to cover up the lives of women. You have to search hard in America to get news of the daily life of women all over the world. It's all about men, war, and destruction on the nightly news, but it is not women interviewing women worldwide.<br /><br />I look at the dynamism and energy of women, and what this actually feels like if you are white in non-white contexts. There is just too much of an assumption that lesbian separatism or women's separatist associations are American or whtie, when the majority of the world is not white, I guess that's where I'm coming from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-71670242568132104012009-10-27T10:18:52.345-04:002009-10-27T10:18:52.345-04:00I believe the very nature of men is about pollutii...<i>I believe the very nature of men is about pollutiing the earth, whether it is raping women or raping the earth, this is what men seem born to do.</i><br /><br />I think that's a racist statement, in that there have been and are Indigenous men, for example, who have lived for thousands of years without polluting the earth and practicing rape as we know it in the West. So is that what those men over thousands of years were born to do?<br /><br /><i>So how do we stop them, and how do all women unite for the benefit of women.</i><br /><br />That's a damn good question!<br /><br /><i>Men are perfectly capable of guarding their own best interests, but women are not trained in the fine art of putting ourselves number 1 all the time.</i><br /><br />The same can be said in white male supremacist societies of people of color vis a vis white people. People of color are often not encouraged or rewarded for putting themselves first, for working for their own best interests, against the interests of white women and men.<br /><br /><i>It's a huge challenge, but one women the world over are rising to. Global feminism is amazing, when women's rights fall somewhere in the world, they rise elsewhere, as Mary Daly once said.</i><br /><br />And I wish Mary Daly fully owned her white privileges. She has hurt many women. I've seen her publicly humiliate a young woman in front of a predominantly female audience, without observable (to the other women there) regret or apology.<br /><br /><i>The most powerful feminists are to be found in China, in Saudi Arabia, in Somolia. When women put themselves first and unit, nothing can stop us!</i><br /><br />I think that is such an important point, Anonymous, and thank you so much for making it. One of the most powerful feminists I know is Yanar Mohammed. And few white women (and, needless to say, white men or men of color in the U.S.) even know who she is.<br /><br /><i>Thanks for this post! It was amazing.</i><br /><br />Thanks for all your thoughtful, woman-loving commentary! I hope you inspire many women to be so loving of womankind. I imagine that you do!!Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-7948573911120034582009-10-27T10:18:45.116-04:002009-10-27T10:18:45.116-04:00Hi again Anonymous,
Thanks, as always, for your c...Hi again Anonymous,<br /><br />Thanks, as always, for your contributions here.<br /><br /><i>To me, freedom for women is not only about a male free country, but it is about international connections between all women.</i><br /><br />Would you agree that such international connections are hampered greatly by white women's denial of their white supremacy, and Western women's denial about their Western biases and oppressive power?<br /><br /><i>Since my feminism started out global and worked back to local, I came from a perspective of working as a minority in a non-white majority feminist movement.</i><br /><br />I am absolutely fascinated by this comment, Anonymous! I would love to know more about this experience!!!! (I don't know of ANY other white women who came to consciousness about feminism in a predominantly woman (and man) of color society or region.)<br /><br />Tell me as much as you'd like to about that time in your life, if you wish to. Where were you born (country only) and where were you raised? Please don't share information that will make you less anonymous here. But please tell me as much as you feel comfortable with about what you are referring to above.<br /><br /><i>All these connections need to be made and are being made.<br />Women bear the brunt of poisoning worldwide, from uranium, to coal burning, to polluted water, to having to be the primary water carriers.</i><br /><br />Yes, I agree. The atrocities against women by men globally are too numerous to even list.<br /><br /><i>Clean water alone would free millions of women. Something as simple as that.</i><br /><br />YES!!Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-79784604053061314572009-10-26T19:28:36.439-04:002009-10-26T19:28:36.439-04:00To me, freedom for women is not only about a male ...To me, freedom for women is not only about a male free country, but it is about international connections between all women. Since my feminism started out global and worked back to local, I came from a perspective of working as a minority in a non-white majority feminist movement.<br /><br />All these connections need to be made and are being made.<br />Women bear the brunt of poisoning worldwide, from uranium, to coal burning, to polluted water, to having to be the primary water carriers.<br /><br />Clean water alone would free millions of women. Something as simple as that.<br /><br />I believe the very nature of men is about pollutiing the earth, whether it is raping women or raping the earth, this is what men seem born to do.<br /><br />So how do we stop them, and how do all women unite for the benefit of women. Men are perfectly capable of guarding their own best interests, but women are not trained in the fine art of putting ourselves number 1 all the time.<br /><br />It's a huge challenge, but one women the world over are rising to. Global feminism is amazing, when women's rights fall somewhere in the world, they rise elsewhere, as Mary Daly once said. <br /><br />The most powerful feminists are to be found in China, in Saudi Arabia, in Somolia. When women put themselves first and unit, nothing can stop us!<br /><br />Thanks for this post! It was amazing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-5748495384088525272009-10-25T03:48:04.784-04:002009-10-25T03:48:04.784-04:00To arvan, aka sexgenderbody,
I really appreciate ...To arvan, aka sexgenderbody,<br /><br />I really appreciate your kind remarks, and am deeply grateful to you for getting my posts out there!<br /><br />And please come on by and comment any time. :)<br /><br />Cheers.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-67243709098249011322009-10-25T03:36:39.639-04:002009-10-25T03:36:39.639-04:00I very much agree with the connections you make he...I very much agree with the connections you make here and the distinctions you draw attention to. Your opening statement about relevance is right on the money. <br /><br />I am enjoying this blog and regularly tweet your posts. I added your site to our google-reader feed some time ago. Please keep up the excellent work.<br /><br />-arvansexgenderbodyhttp://sexgenderbody.comnoreply@blogger.com