tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post2118432631098486167..comments2024-03-13T11:14:26.768-04:00Comments on A Radical Profeminist: Liberal vs. Radical, and the Politics of CritiqueUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-44720540996072437612011-11-14T11:11:37.309-05:002011-11-14T11:11:37.309-05:00Cool! I didn't know about the event or that it...Cool! I didn't know about the event or that it was being streamed online! Thanks for letting me know. :)<br /><br />And, I look forward to your email.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-90414438958463690182011-11-12T14:33:58.652-05:002011-11-12T14:33:58.652-05:00Thanks a lot, Julian!
And yes, I'd like to ta...Thanks a lot, Julian!<br /><br />And yes, I'd like to talk more about L.K. (who I find quite thought-provoking) so I guess I can contact your email address. Since it's gmail, that's pretty convenient so we could use gmail chat!<br /><br />*******<br /><br />And speaking of L.K. and radical politics, I'm not sure if you've checked your Facebook events but there's a DGR/Fertile Ground event (Earth At Risk) coming up tomorrow, and she'll be there along with Derrick Jensen and others. Too bad I live very far from Berkley CA, so I won't be there in person; lucky for people like me though, they'll have a free livestreaming of the event online.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205799906754822874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-38594506257676778352011-11-12T12:19:33.837-05:002011-11-12T12:19:33.837-05:00I am completely in agreement with you. (Surprise!)...I am completely in agreement with you. (Surprise!) <br /><br />YES: I see tokenism as a very pernicious form of racism (and misogyny, and heterosexism) and see it showing up in the examples you describe. <br /><br />It SHOULD go without say that poor women, disproportionately of color, (and, often: <i>girls</i>, not women) who are enduring the globalised racist sexxxism industries and institutions ought not be understood as making free choices to be where they are: they didn't make the choice to be poor, to begin with! All choices that follow being in poverty don't magically become 'free' just because the person making them has agency as opposed, say, to being a slave or made to live in a coma. <br /><br />That millions of girls (and many women too) are, in fact, sexual slaves inside those horrific industries and institutions is usually denied or minimised or ignored by those people you mention who blather on about how progressive (or "good") it is that pornography is becoming less white in terms of the women and girls it seeks to consume and use up. This isn't jut misguided; it's profoundly cynical and shows no heart or understanding of what it means to be fucked and otherwise sexually used all day or night long by men who disrespect or enact overt hostility against millions of people because they believe they are entitled to temporarily possess and control millions of people: one procured or enslaved person by one.<br /><br />We don't (or, well, ought not) regard rich whites' experiences of corporate capitalism as representative of what everyone experiences within that atrocious economic-political system. Why would we take the experiences of the most privileged people working as models and actors in pornography, or the most well-paid and pimp-free people working as prostitutes as 'representative' when they are, basically, part of the 1% within such systems? <br /><br />I'm thinking at this moment of that ob-fucking-noxious-as-hell discussion you raise, of how the US isn't racist any more because "we have a Black president". It doesn't seem to occur to those who actually believe this CRAP that whites "allowing" a person of color to be in a prominent place socially and structurally is actually a requisite part of white supremacy is maintained in liberal societies. And it doesn't seem to occur to anyone how Pres. Obama's policies and proposals don't do shit to end racial injustice in the US. And it doesn't seem to occur to anyone that systematically preventing women of color from being President of the US isn't just sexist, it's ALSO racist. <br /><br />Tokenism is the alleged "proof" that white liberals use to point out the value of the system that is, still, to this day and into tonight, genocidal to Black, Brown, Indigenous, Asian, and many other ethnic and racial groups who are not white.<br /><br />Without prominent celebrities over the past thirty years such as Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, and Eddie Murphy, and Beyoncé Knowles, whites might have a harder time making a case that the show biz industry is entirely white supremacist. So it is with every other industry either contained within or globalised out of the United Rapes of Amerikkka.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-8694048942335481292011-11-12T12:01:02.627-05:002011-11-12T12:01:02.627-05:00Hi eternalsunshine,
Thanks so much for these most...Hi eternalsunshine,<br /><br />Thanks so much for these most recent comments. Keep 'em coming!!!!<br /><br />I'm very familiar with and deeply appreciative of L.K.'s work and contributions to Radical Lesbian Feminism, and to US radical politics generally. If we were offline, I'd talk with you more about why I didn't credit her initially in this post. But thank you for bringing our attention to that work, here. These are the (hopefully working) links to those videos on YouTube:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkXrS0NnQM0" rel="nofollow">Liberal vs. Radical, Part 1</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rcxnLO06CA&feature=related" rel="nofollow">Liberal vs. Radical, Part 2</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PEZKllQKOQ&feature=related" rel="nofollow">Liberal vs. Radical, Part 3</a>Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-31012841861459384102011-11-10T18:41:15.039-05:002011-11-10T18:41:15.039-05:00Also, I forgot to add this but...
Wouldn't yo...Also, I forgot to add this but...<br /><br />Wouldn't you say that tokenism is one form of tool used to silence any kind of dissent and/or criticism?<br /><br />Because that's what I find with neo-liberal discourse...Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205799906754822874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-51821274435280170352011-11-10T18:37:25.430-05:002011-11-10T18:37:25.430-05:00Ah, glad to see another post on the differences be...Ah, glad to see another post on the differences between Liberals and Radicals.<br /><br />In case some people haven't seen this yet, maybe they should watch it on Youtube (here's part 1, the rest should appear in suggestions):<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkXrS0NnQM0<br /><br />Lierre Keith does a very good job in summing up the differences between liberals and radicals.<br /><br /><br />When it comes to race I'd like to add is that, as a person of colour, I actually do not appreciate the liberal "critiques" of racism because like you said, their kind of thinking operates on some abstract concept of "equality" and fairness". Not to mention, their "critiques" are only limited to name-calling and representation issues in the workplace, entertainment business, etc. Hell, some even think that saying women of colour are "exotic" is a compliment... without even realizing that that is just a display of racio-misogyny, rooted in colonialism. And did I forget to mention that some even think that whites can face racism from people of colour? If anything, liberals can be just as racist as conservatives. What they fail to understand is that "equal representation" - or rather, tokenism - doesn't necessarily equal respect for racialized/marginalized groups of people. I mean come on, just because the Democrats have Obama as their leader, that doesn't mean that black people in AmeriKKKa (most especially working class ones)or any person of colour for that matter have gained the respect and dignity that they deserve; a disproportionate number of them still live under poverty, the women face more violence than white women due to being racialized AND gendered, and the list can go on because, as you have said many times, white supremacy is something that is institutionalized rather than something inevitable. Besides, the Democrats are just as white-dominated as the Republican side, and so they don't really care about black people and other people either.<br /><br />And because tokenism doesn't equal respect, this means that: no, I do not want Asian women or any women of colour being "represented" in pornstitution... I hate it when some sex pozzies try to justify the buying/selling of women by saying "But some of the people who chose to be sex workers are women of colour!" When in reality very, VERY few women of colour choose to be "sex workers". Just because a FEW token women of colour are there, that doesn't mean that the pimps' aren't dangerously racist/racio-misogynistic towards the vast majority of women of colour, and that there are no racial hierarchies.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205799906754822874noreply@blogger.com