tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post6255720328825346550..comments2024-03-13T11:14:26.768-04:00Comments on A Radical Profeminist: Interview with Julian Real on Transgender Realities and Racist Patriarchal Privilege, including the Pretense of Being An Ally With Two-Spirit PeopleUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-71148766842310495102010-12-15T02:53:51.639-05:002010-12-15T02:53:51.639-05:00Thank you so much, Owl Eyes!Thank you so much, Owl Eyes!Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-85577220150780099482010-12-15T00:53:26.585-05:002010-12-15T00:53:26.585-05:00Great work, Julian.Great work, Julian.Owl Eyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793407779982322873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-66093296205677327912010-12-14T21:35:16.664-05:002010-12-14T21:35:16.664-05:00but rather focusing on the common source as WHM-su...<i>but rather focusing on the common source as WHM-supremacy as a whole (as well as pointing out the similar outcomes for many non-trans women, or non-trans people of color).</i><br /><br />And those outcomes are visited on trans people too, particularly and especially marginalised populations by race and class.<br /><br /><i>But do you really think that trans activists should only be asking themselves questions about their own privilege?</i><br /><br />I think any and every white person should be interrogating their own privileges and challenging themselves and one another on how they express their structural entitlements. The same with all men. The same with everyone who has class privilege, especially the rich. The same with all English-speaking Westerners, and all people with privilege in the Global North. I think all white non-Indigenous males ought to be reminding each other about the fact that genocide is happening right now, globally, against Indigenous people.<br /><br /><i>Perhaps I don't know enough about the divide between trans and feminist activists,</i><br /><br />justme, you can find this on most white transgender blogs. Just do a blog search for transgender, and see what is said about radical feminist activists, and note how, in almost all cases, Indigenous women and girls are completely outside the consciousness of such bloggers and their supporters.<br /><br /><i>but I'm kind of struck by the harshness you exude in these few posts.</i><br /><br />I hope you read the conversation between the intergender and transgender folks. That one was loving, I believe. And I hope you note how one transsexual commenter here is a patriarchy-denier, at least with regard to North America, which is supporting pro- misogynistic and pro-rape, pro-genocidal perspectives on social reality. Because it is only white Christian patriarchy which has been mass murdering and otherwise waging war against Indigenous people, not just in North America, but surely in it too. <br /><br /><i>I certainly agree with a lot of what you state re: some trans' activists' seeming lack of consciousness of their own privilege, but that doesn't mean there isn't such a thing as cisgender privilege whatsoever.</i><br /><br />I can (and do) challenge white gay men to look at white and male privileges without noting homophobia. To do so doesn't mean I don't think homophobia doesn't exist. <br /><br /><i>Have you read anything by Dean Spade? He is a trans law professor who founded the Silvia Rivera Law Project and has written some really interesting stuff on radical trans politics (including the inherent privilege of an academic discussion thereof).</i><br /><br />This is the first I've heard of him. Thanks for letting me know about him.<br /><br /><i>I'd be interested to hear how his work fits into what these other "transexual activists" are doing.</i><br /><br />I would too. I might have to look him up and ask him to engage in conversation about it.<br /><br />What are his politics, justme? You mention his radical writings, but what campaigns and agendas of political action is he promoting or advocating or supporting, in those writings?Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-16563718799726468282010-12-14T21:35:11.596-05:002010-12-14T21:35:11.596-05:00Hi justme!
Thanks for asking those questions.
I ...Hi justme!<br /><br />Thanks for asking those questions.<br /><br />I realise this post, in particular, is harsh.<br /><br />I make it a point to be as emotionally honest as I can in my posts, as I don't really believe in being polite as a value in and of itself.<br /><br />Politeness has gotten radical activism no where at all, as far as I can tell. You need to have Malcolm X behind Martin Luther King or the Kings of the activist world will be ignored or condescended to.<br /><br />I'll respond to each of your points/questions below.<br /><br /><i>I don't know who wrote the list of "cisgender privileges" or the intentions of trans activists who focus on women/feminists as their main adversary,</i><br /><br />But this is the whole context for the rage and upset. So we can't drift too far away from this. It'd be like me writing about how white men are raping women and someone responding, "I don't know about that, but what about poor men of color." You go on to say:<br /><br /><i>but what is your response to the fact of discrimination, harassment and violence against trans people, particularly those who are low-income and people of color, and especially in the context of the criminal justice system?</i><br /><br />My response to harassment by men of any "feminised" population is that it needs to end, yesterday. The same for discrimination and violence. The ethic is the same: men need to stop their violence, degradations, and violations--their subordination and oppression--of all feminised peoples. And whites need to stop their subordination and oppression, including discrimination, harassment, and violence, of all people of color. And the rich need to stop their exploitation, harassment, degradation, subordination, oppression, including direct systemic and sexual violence against all poor people and all non-rich people.<br /><br /><i>I'm sure that you aren't ignoring those things,</i><br /><br />Those are the core issues of this blog. My posts are generally supporting women of color who are not rich, who are actively engaged in stopping privileged U.S. men's and other white Western men's militarised, sexualised violence against all women and against the Earth.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-81297708877801953242010-12-14T17:12:47.841-05:002010-12-14T17:12:47.841-05:00Hello there again, just wanted to add my two cents...Hello there again, just wanted to add my two cents and maybe ask for clarification on some things.<br /><br />I don't know who wrote the list of "cisgender privileges" or the intentions of trans activists who focus on women/feminists as their main adversary, but what is your response to the fact of discrimination, harassment and violence against trans people, particularly those who are low-income and people of color, and especially in the context of the criminal justice system?<br /><br />I'm sure that you aren't ignoring those things, but rather focusing on the common source as WHM-supremacy as a whole (as well as pointing out the similar outcomes for many non-trans women, or non-trans people of color). But do you really think that trans activists should only be asking themselves questions about their own privilege? <br /><br />Perhaps I don't know enough about the divide between trans and feminist activists, but I'm kind of struck by the harshness you exude in these few posts. I certainly agree with a lot of what you state re: some trans' activists' seeming lack of consciousness of their own privilege, but that doesn't mean there isn't such a thing as cisgender privilege whatsoever.<br /><br />Have you read anything by Dean Spade? He is a trans law professor who founded the Silvia Rivera Law Project and has written some really interesting stuff on radical trans politics (including the inherent privilege of an academic discussion thereof). I'd be interested to hear how his work fits into what these other "transexual activists" are doing..justmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14591579990611623829noreply@blogger.com