tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post2122890706571126297..comments2024-03-13T11:14:26.768-04:00Comments on A Radical Profeminist: Yahoo Answers has a Misogynist/Antifeminist guy named Jim who is a Delusional Fool Who Thinks "Misandry" Exists! LOLUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-63403616990647480912010-05-23T00:55:09.639-04:002010-05-23T00:55:09.639-04:00Hi Jennifer,
Yes, much agreed: clearly privilege ...Hi Jennifer,<br /><br />Yes, much agreed: clearly privilege shows up in the lives of these MRAs in the form of either free time, or desk jobs at which they can slack off and just go to places like Yahoo Answers and post their CRAP.<br /><br />Your closing remark has inspired a new Real-ism phrase, "Men can't take their eyes off their balls".<br /><br />Thanks as always for your feedback, Jennifer.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-34817184411480569362010-05-22T13:28:30.981-04:002010-05-22T13:28:30.981-04:00Hi, Julian I've just read your question and I ...Hi, Julian I've just read your question and I see the problem as one concerning resources. The sad fact is there are innumerable MRAS who have nothing better to do with their time than promulate cyberspace spreading their lies.<br /><br />Whereas women of course are far too busy struggling each day to survive! A generalisation I know but also true. <br /><br />I do know feminists personally who've tried to challenge the misogyny and lies and reported these fools to the providers but as usual nothing happens and the lies remain in place. I am tempted to think of conspiracy theories but I'll settle for the reality - which is the male-dominant owners of these sites such as Yahoo answers are not interested in the 'truth' only in the male-defined truth which is totally different from a woman-centered one.<br /><br />It's a question of numbers - feminists are not as abundant as the MRAS because fact is many feminists do not have the time to commit to spending hours and hours trolling websites in order to promote MRA lies. <br /><br />Julian you do excellent work challenging these bigoted trolls but you can only do so much. So, what do we feminists do given we don't have the time to visit all the websites promoting lies about women and feminism. Well, we speak to individuals face to face and challenge our work colleagues/relatives etc. Yes I know we can't reach everyone but we do what we can.<br /><br />I take comfort in knowing these MRAS are very, very frightened creatures because as always maintaining power and dominance over a subordinate group is a 24/7 occupation. The MRAS must never 'take their eyes off the ball' because you never know what these radical feminists will do next.JENNIFER DREWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02112807166372869685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-84019857166621764502010-05-14T13:57:35.291-04:002010-05-14T13:57:35.291-04:00All of the scenarios you brought up are culturally...<i>All of the scenarios you brought up are culturally accurate, but that does not dismiss the fact that those same tools used to discriminate against women interpersonally are now also being used against men.</i><br /><br />I'd be interested to hear you make that case. Which same tools are "used [by women] to discriminate against men" of the same ethnic or cultural or economically classed group? I look forward to reading your answer. <br /><br /><i>I'd also like to point out the implicit heterosexism within your entire argument.</i><br /><br />Okay, I'm listening.<br /><br /><i>Misogyny and misandry operate in a much more complicated fashion within LGBTQ communities.</i><br /><br />I don't accept that there is such a thing as "misandry" as MRAs make up and misuse that term. <br /><br />And, honestly, you saying the word a few times isn't enough to make it exist in reality. So you're going to have to do a lot more than mention a term. I mean some racist can say "Black supremacy exists too" but that doesn't mean it's so.<br /><br />Again, I welcome you to make the case--where's the systemic and systematic harm and discrimination? Where's the evidence of on-going atrocity, the piles of abused and/or dead bodies?<br /><br />The way MRAs delusionally speak about "misandry" makes me think of White Nationalists proclaiming that Jews, not white Christians, run the U.S. Do you also believe that to be true? I'm not saying you're an MRA. But, just to find out, are you?<br /><br />So far, Johnny, you've made absolutely no case <i>at all</i> for it existing within or outside the LGBTI community.<br /><br />And, are you queer or gay or SGL? Just wondering. I want to know what your political location and position is, structurally, relative to your statement. Are you inside the LGBTI community as an LBGTI person, as someone who is threatened by heterosexual men, covertly or overtly, because you are not heterosexual?<br /><br /><i>The liberation of women across the world will not be gained by people running around mocking and discrediting the male perspective but will be bridged through a dialogue where both sides listen to one another.</i><br /><br />You're not making any case for "the other side". What other side? The other side that says we live in a Black supremacist society? The other side that says lesbians and gay men ALSO oppress heterosexual people institutionally? What are you speaking about, please? I'm genuinely not understanding what you are getting at.<br /><br /><i>Again, no one is denying the reality of institutionalized misogyny. That is a very real thing. However, to dismiss misandry entirely as have a social reality is to do a disservice to gender equality in its entirety.</i><br /><br />What misandry, Johnny? Describe it--where is it, where does it live, how does it manifest institutionally and interpersonally as women's atrocities against men, as women oppressing men? Please--offer up the evidence. Otherwise you sound like a White Nationalist to me, speaking of things that simply aren't socially true or existent.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-39469319288851340182010-05-14T13:57:29.643-04:002010-05-14T13:57:29.643-04:00Hello Johnny,
I suspect my reply may be in two pa...Hello Johnny,<br /><br />I suspect my reply may be in two parts, so please reply to the questions in both parts, if you would.<br /><br />First, I just clarified (I hope) the issue of who is saying what. Thanks for alerting me to than unclarity! I appreciate it.<br /><br />In response to this:<br /><i>However, I think there are a few things that need to be clarified. Discrimination and oppression can exist on multiple playing fields--institutional and individual being two main arenas.</i><br /><br />This blog makes that explicitly clear. So no disagreement there. <br /><br /><i><br />Responding directly to the comment, I don't think anyone here would argue against the institutionalized misogyny that takes place on a daily level. However, misandry DOES in fact exist--regardless if you would like to believe that or not.</i><br /><br />Not woman-produced, woman-manufactured, woman-controlled, woman-regulated "misandry". "Misandry"--or men hating men, is something that MEN produce, manufacture, control, and regulate. I wouldn't use the term "misandry" for that, as it implies, in general usage, that that haters are not men. So it is a misleading term. Internalised and externalised institutionalised and interpersonal aggression, harm, and violence among men is what I understand you to be talking about. Do I have that right? <br /><br />Are you talking about harm that women do to men institutionally? And, again, I'm NOT referring to white women oppressing men of color, or heterosexual women oppressing lesbian women and gay men. I'm speaking here about people within the same groups, with the only structural/political difference being gender.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-41933880753875522862010-05-14T12:19:20.232-04:002010-05-14T12:19:20.232-04:00Thank you, Jennifer!
Exactly.
Now, a question: I...Thank you, Jennifer!<br /><br />Exactly.<br /><br />Now, a question: It is very clear that Antifeminist MRAssholes have made a concerted effort to promulgate their CRAP on "Yahoo Answers" specifically. What I've noticed in the last half year, some feminists have begun to show up and challenge these fools. But the fools are still spewing their lies-as-truth.<br /><br />Do you, Jennifer, or does any other reader here, have suggestions for how to get more truth and less lies out there into the Yahoo Answers community? Clearly the MRAs feel they can influence public opinion by going after internet communities like that one.<br /><br />I'm open to ideas, course of action, etc. Should the MRAs be reported as trolls promoting sexist bigotry on Yahoo Answers, for example?Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-52162835798836778062010-05-14T12:16:30.731-04:002010-05-14T12:16:30.731-04:00This post is a little confusing to me, as I'm ...This post is a little confusing to me, as I'm not sure who is saying what. However, I think there are a few things that need to be clarified. Discrimination and oppression can exist on multiple playing fields--institutional and individual being two main arenas. <br /><br />Responding directly to the comment, I don't think anyone here would argue against the institutionalized misogyny that takes place on a daily level. However, misandry DOES in fact exist--regardless if you would like to believe that or not. All of the scenarios you brought up are culturally accurate, but that does not dismiss the fact that those same tools used to discriminate against women interpersonally are now also being used against men. <br /><br />I'd also like to point out the implicit heterosexism within your entire argument. Misogyny and misandry operate in a much more complicated fashion within LGBTQ communities. The liberation of women across the world will not be gained by people running around mocking and discrediting the male perspective but will be bridged through a dialogue where both sides listen to one another. <br /><br />Again, no one is denying the reality of institutionalized misogyny. That is a very real thing. However, to dismiss misandry entirely as have a social reality is to do a disservice to gender equality in its entirety.Johnny Golightlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09928383851023265104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-43203458290005430492010-05-14T10:26:51.722-04:002010-05-14T10:26:51.722-04:00Repeat the lie often enough and it becomes 'tr...Repeat the lie often enough and it becomes 'truth.' Which is precisely what this piece of propaganda is - lies purporting to be truth. <br /><br />Misandry does not exist and has never existed but misogyny has existed for centuries and continues to exist, but because it is so 'natural' it becomes not misogyny but 'common sense' as defined by men for men's advantage and continued power over women.<br /><br />Question? Why are men so obsessed with claiming 'misandry exists' is it because the focus must always be on men and their needs etc. Or is it because since misandry does not exist it has to be constantly promoted as existing. Or, to put it another way, men have to constantly tell themselves 'we are the only ones defined as human and we have to keep telling those non-human beings (women) their place lies firmly under the feet of us superior human beings.'JENNIFER DREWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02112807166372869685noreply@blogger.com