tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post2035242771924773923..comments2024-03-13T11:14:26.768-04:00Comments on A Radical Profeminist: First Guest Post from Cerien! When Some Transgender Activists Demand Inclusivity But EXCLUDE almost all Genderqueer/Transgender/Intersex People, We Gotta Speak OUT!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-30782597905889702082010-11-23T07:57:50.984-05:002010-11-23T07:57:50.984-05:00BRAVO!
That was really good and really well thou...BRAVO! <br /><br />That was really good and really well thought out. I am also really tired or I would be more specific.Chris O.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05832694518443803305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-63671172729726727902010-11-20T10:45:01.205-05:002010-11-20T10:45:01.205-05:00Welcome, dedgurlcingztheblooze!
I was sooooooo (a...Welcome, dedgurlcingztheblooze!<br /><br />I was sooooooo (add a few dozen more oooo's) hoping you'd speak out here. So, thank you.<br /><br />Hugs. Extra big welcome.<br /><br /><i>I am one of those people whose identity has been impacted by the conflation of transsexual with transgender. You know, I had actually done research on this subject. Had seen that genderqueer and two spirited people fit under the Trans category, but because the label had only been associated with MTF's in society and on occassion FTM's I just assumed I wasn't covered under LGBTA (and I am including A even if others wont). I am a two spirited indivdual who has been socialized as female, and I pretty much thought I was on my own. Like no community for me existed.</i><br /><br />A First Nations acquaintance of mine told me that he thought it was very odd that white folks had to designate themselves as "this" or "that" with regard to gender, as his own ethnic heritage had eleven genders, fully recognised. He was among those eleven, not among the two.<br /><br />When I asked if he felt like "transitioning" he sort of laughed at my question. I hope we can interrogate what it is about CRAP that leads people to seek out medical solutions to political problems. This obviously goes WAY beyond anything currently called "gender dysmorphia"--a politically problematic term in and of itself. This also speaks to things like the diagnoses of Borderline Personality Disorder, ADHD, depression, and more. Similarly, in CRAP, all those conditions (well, maybe with the exception of BPD) do exist, but they are used to diagnose individuals, rather than the society in which the individuals are trying to live.<br /><br />I did a post a while ago, which I'll link to here:<br /><br /><a href="http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2009/03/whats-so-revolutionary-about-being.html" rel="nofollow">http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2009/03/whats-so-revolutionary-about-being.html</a><br /><br />about WTF is going on with never mentioning Two Spirit people in "LGBT" contexts and spaces. I think it's called racism. (I know it is: anti-Indigenous, genocidal white supremacy, specifically.)<br /><br /><i>This really articulates a lot of what I have been feeling, but didn't know how to explain. I've been attending meetings in my area, and while there are some FTM's, I'm the only two spirited person (I'm actually the only a lot of things in this group, but that's another subject)</i><br /><br />For a guest post??? <br /><br />Or, for an email to me? I'm eager to engage on these issues and make friends in the process; maybe we could set up a small email list/group, to not feel so alone. This is to say, I welcome you corresponding with me. My email address is in the top right corner on the blog.<br /><br /><i>and the group is really white MTF dominated. I can feel a lot of the entitlement, and I've been trying to decide if these meetings are really designed for folks like me.</i><br /><br />I'm going out on a short limb: No. They're not designed for folks like you, or for folks like me, or for folks like Owl Eyes or for folks like Cerien.<br /><br />White male-privilege-dominated spaces aren't for most of us on Earth.<br /><br />Here's some related A.R.P. posts, btw:<br /><br /><a href="http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2008/09/lgbt-community-white-supremacy-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2008/09/lgbt-community-white-supremacy-and.html</a><br /><br /><a href="http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2009/12/l-gbt-not-g-lbt-ladies-before-gentlemen.html" rel="nofollow">http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2009/12/l-gbt-not-g-lbt-ladies-before-gentlemen.html</a>Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-54084300715115571602010-11-19T16:10:53.780-05:002010-11-19T16:10:53.780-05:00I am one of those people whose identity has been i...I am one of those people whose identity has been impacted by the conflation of transsexual with transgender. You know, I had actually done research on this subject. Had seen that genderqueer and two spirited people fit under the Trans category, but because the label had only been associated with MTF's in society and on occassion FTM's I just assumed I wasn't covered under LGBTA (and I am including A even if others wont). I am a two spirited indivdual who has been socialized as female, and I pretty much thought I was on my own. Like no community for me existed.<br /><br />This really articulates a lot of what I have been feeling, but didn't know how to explain. I've been attending meetings in my area, and while there are some FTM's, I'm the only two spirited person (I'm actually the only a lot of things in this group, but that's another subject) and the group is really white MTF dominated. I can feel a lot of the entitlement, and I've been trying to decide if these meetings are really designed for folks like me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-49146592071398328682010-11-18T23:43:12.342-05:002010-11-18T23:43:12.342-05:00Hi Owl Eyes,
I've been dealing so much with a...Hi Owl Eyes,<br /><br />I've been dealing so much with a process of coming out as intergender, well, of using that term and really being prepared to describe what that has meant over the course of my whole life--to feel something and not have a name for it, mostly--that I've not written as much about being asexual, although that's part of "me" as well.<br /><br />I'm so glad folks like you and Cerien are showing up here. I feel infinitely less alone.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-79123062890241883362010-11-18T19:27:03.485-05:002010-11-18T19:27:03.485-05:00If anything, Divinity is the transphobic one for t...If anything, Divinity is the transphobic one for thinking that making transsexuals sell the use of their bodies for SRS and hormones is acceptable, let alone good.)<br /><br />EXACTTTTTTTTTTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />I'd love to see her response to this. It's an extremely important issue. <br /><br />I love your points about gender binaries actually CAUSING the oppression for a lot of trans people. Most people, myself included, wouldn't have thought of that before...really makes a lot of sense to me.Owl Eyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793407779982322873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-77094921989429347592010-11-18T17:34:21.930-05:002010-11-18T17:34:21.930-05:00Now, i must begin my long winded comments, haha. F...Now, i must begin my long winded comments, haha. First I want to thank you for clarifying the difference between Transsexual and Transgender, I think a lot of people believe they are the same thing. <br />Now, to dive in, if i may...<br />You said,<br />"She's talking about MTFs."<br /><br />Exactly. A lot of people, like Divinity, seem to think that trans = mtf and completely disregards genderqueer folks. Gotta love their apparent "activism" and "inclusion" of everyone" bullshit. <br /><br />It irritates me to no end!!!!<br /><br />"Sub-rant #1: "MTFs don't have male privilege; they give that up when they transition."<br /><br />Someone just left a comment saying just this today, actually they said "They become women, so they ARE women"<br /><br />I'm glad you pointed out the anti-feminist stand point this idea takes. Explicitly ANTI-WOMAN stance = explicitly anti-feminist, yet Divinity and co. identify as "feminist" which boggles my mind, like it does yours!<br /><br />"People may respond to you differently in some ways, but privilege doesn't just "go away" once you decide to transition."<br /><br />Dead the fuck on. <br /><br />Same with touching on biological determinism. Last time i checked, gender was a fucking social construct, not a biological imperative for life. Why are we so concerned with how one's genitals look? How genitals should reflect who we feel to be on the inside? <br /><br />Why are we always cut into pieces, into parts, waited to be examined as several objects as opposed to fully human? <br /><br />It's interesting to deconstruct this idea of "gender" as based on genitalia, or "parts". <br /><br />Also, as for your next point, genderqueers are NOT recognized, i have noticed this too. I was commenting about the exclusion of queer-identified groups being excluded from queer spaces earlier today, and the damage that does to people's sense of self. Do they forget the big T at the end of LGBT? There's barely any mention of two-spirited/intergender/genderqueer/asexual/ and i'm sure even more...<br /><br />So, trans folks, as they do experience oppression, I'm not denying that, DO have a space to be included in, feel safe in. Where are intergender folks supposed to feel safe? Where's there inclusion? How about asexuals? <br /><br />No one gives a shit.Owl Eyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793407779982322873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-78365394223460018892010-11-18T16:37:49.225-05:002010-11-18T16:37:49.225-05:00comment 1:
"Why didn't I get the memo f...comment 1: <br /><br />"Why didn't I get the memo from the trans/queer activists??<br />Why doesn't media discuss being intergender?<br />Why doesn't media discuss being genderqueer, gender-varient, non-gender conforming?"<br /><br />This is exactly how I feel about asexuality. Very few spaces acknowledge intergender, two-spirited or asexual individuals. <br /><br />It hurts to be left out of spaces, it hurts to be sabotaged by a group of people who claim to speak for all queer folks. I guess this is more of my personal experience, but i wanted to get it off my chest, I'm sure you understand since you are going through the same thing with spaces disregarding intergender individuals. <br /><br />Luckily SOME spaces do take notice, but a lot don't. Luckily the one I hang around on occasion, on campus, does acknowledge intergender, two-spirit and asexual individuals. It makes a big difference for some to add those few extra letters :)Owl Eyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793407779982322873noreply@blogger.com