tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post1462017262949672833..comments2024-03-13T11:14:26.768-04:00Comments on A Radical Profeminist: When Men Claim a Special Connection to God, or to Be God: Beware. Notes on Ken Wilber and Neale Donald WalschUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-85996057740684646982011-05-21T03:01:51.651-04:002011-05-21T03:01:51.651-04:00Warren Farrell, for those who don't know, is a...Warren Farrell, for those who don't know, is an ex-profeminist man. He gave it up for some form of masculinism that he views as more advanced than feminism. He's so lost in his privileges he can't see them in his own writing and life. <br /><br />Re: Ken Wilber. One day I'll do up an analysis of his writings on feminism, which are ridiculously racist and sexist, among other things. I will gladly welcome your commentary on that, theoreticalgrrrl. Maybe we can work on that post together.<br /><br />Here's that link:<br /><br /><a href="http://in.integralinstitute.org/landing/warren_farrell/index.html" rel="nofollow">Does Feminism Discriminate Against Men?</a><br /><br />The answer, in case anyone is wondering, is "NO". Men discriminate against feminists, and all other women too. The problem, re: gender, is male supremacy, not feminist supremacy.<br /><br />That should be quite obvious to anyone who has a politically aware mind that functions in the social world. Tragically, denial is valued more than truth.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-61235442594197335602011-05-20T15:26:47.648-04:002011-05-20T15:26:47.648-04:00Andrew Cohen has never been acccused of rape to my...Andrew Cohen has never been acccused of rape to my knowledge at his retreat, but he is very misogynistic and would single out women for particular harsh punishments for 'disobeying' him. Even the men were uncomfortable with his treatment of the women. <br /><br />Another disturbing thing is that high-profile people like Arianna Huffington and other celebrities are treating him like an expert on spirituality and enlightenment. They give him a platform at Huffington Post and at events like "Creating a Spiritually Empowered Future" even though MANY people have come forward with the physical/mental and financial abuse they've suffered from Cohen.<br /><br />Ken Wilber has anti-feminist and patriarchy-denier Warren Farrell as an 'expert' on gender issues at Integral Life. They have a dialogue entitled "Does Feminism Discriminate Against Men?": http://in.integralinstitute.org/landing/warren_farrell/index.html<br /> <br />Some gems you can find there are:<br /><br />"It's definitely true that men, as a rule today in industrialized societies, are basically where women were in the 1950's, psychologically and socially. Part of what is keeping men there is being blamed for having power that is really a camouflage for the powerlessness. Real power is control over my own life."<br /><br />and<br /><br />"So frequently today I see our daughters, who are interested in these sort of humanistic issues, go off to school and take Women's Studies courses, and then they come out angry at men—and these are oftentimes the brightest, the most intelligent, and the most potentially loving women, coming out of their university classes with an extension of Marxist feminism that says that the males are oppressing women. And that's just a misunderstanding of the gender development over the millennia."<br /><br />The rest of the interview is available for free download if you have the stomach for it. I don't.theoreticalgrrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01338496588249920286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-91383279505415382532011-05-18T22:53:52.649-04:002011-05-18T22:53:52.649-04:00Thank you so much, theoreticalgrrrl, for adding in...Thank you so much, theoreticalgrrrl, for adding in this very critical information. I didn't know about the rapist scumbag, Andrew Cohen. I want to be sure the links you put in your comment work, so here they are:<br /><br /><a href="http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com/</a><br /><br /><a href="http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2010/06/integral-egos-gone-wild-wilber-and-cohen-relish-worship.html" rel="nofollow">http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2010/06/integral-egos-gone-wild-wilber-and-cohen-relish-worship.html</a><br /><br />Links to the books mentioned above: <br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/American-Guru-Betrayal-Healing-former-students/dp/0982453051" rel="nofollow">American Guru: A Story of Love, Betrayal and Healing--former students of Andrew Cohen speak out</a> by William Yenner <br /><br /><a href="http://www.themotherofgod.com/" rel="nofollow">The Mother of God</a> by Luna Tarlo, and also <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mother-God-Luna-Tarlo/dp/1570270430" rel="nofollow">*here*</a>.<br /><br />Thank you, thank you, thank you, theoreticalgrrrl!!Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-30618976674391909032011-05-18T21:22:28.798-04:002011-05-18T21:22:28.798-04:00I read Neale Donald Walsch's books and at firs...I read Neale Donald Walsch's books and at first they helped me start to even imagine "god" as not the angry male authority figure of my childhood. But the more I read the more I became genuinely grossed out by what I was reading. I felt stupid that I was taken in by the "kinder, gentler god" of Neale.<br /><br />Neale believes children should be pawned off on the grandparents so that adults can have the all the free time they need to have all the sex they can possibly have. And that a woman in prostitution is offering a man something wonderful and beautiful (the idea that the prostitute doesn't want to be there never crosses his mind) and the fact that one can cross over to Nevada in the U.S. and legally purchase women means it is not wrong to do so, it all relative. He believes in moral relativism and sees something like cheating on one's spouse not as a betrayal of a promise to another but actually 'cheating yourself' out of getting all the sex you can, which is much worse to Neale cause sex is, like, beautiful so you should do it all the time no mattter who you hurt or what the circumstances are. And that rape counselors give victims of child sex abuse the idea that what happened to them is abuse. They might have seen it as normal and natural if it weren't for them giving 'em ideas!<br /><br />I kid you not, these are in Neale's "unchannelled" books and articles, so if you haven't read those they might change your mind about him. <br /><br />Plus that whole plagiarism thing.<br /><br />I don't feel Neale is geniune but misled, I think the whole thing is a scam. He is a complete charlatan in my book. <br /><br />Ditto for Ken Wilber. Ugh. Sorry. I don't mean to sound so negative and I'm glad you got something valuable from these guys, but I have to say something about some of their tactics. Wilber and his pal Andrew Cohen advocate guru worship and there has been a lot of abuse at Cohen's retreat recounted by many former students (see: http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com/) and even by his mother. There's a great analysis here of both men: http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2010/06/integral-egos-gone-wild-wilber-and-cohen-relish-worship.html <br />Also see American Guru by William Yenner and Mother of God by Luna Tarlo. <br /><br />I am done with teachers and experts and people who claim the authority of 'god' or enlightenment backs them up, I've finally realized I can only rely on myself for answers to the big questions of life.theoreticalgrrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01338496588249920286noreply@blogger.com