tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post1297655072240996195..comments2024-03-13T11:14:26.768-04:00Comments on A Radical Profeminist: The Patriarchal Pity Party: MRA Trolls and their list of "Misandrist" quotesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-6782035501529543592011-02-20T22:28:52.545-05:002011-02-20T22:28:52.545-05:00Hi Gaia,
Do you see the link--the exact one you s...Hi Gaia,<br /><br />Do you see the link--the exact one you sent to me in your comment--in the "Source(s)" section of the post above?<br /><br />I sure hope so. Would you like it to be moved farther up into the post? I'll also put it up higher, but it is there. I promise you!! :)Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-64633834298364900132011-02-20T18:46:01.340-05:002011-02-20T18:46:01.340-05:00Whoah ! Whilst this is a good article Julian Real ...Whoah ! Whilst this is a good article Julian Real has lifted a HUGE chunk from my work and embedded it in his text ! Without attributing it to me in the text. Naughty Julian..would you mind putting this right please ? Gaia Charis of.... http://www.gaiacharis.com/site/index.php/dangerous-children/88-chapter-6misogynyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-2845261239923209742010-09-19T15:34:03.111-04:002010-09-19T15:34:03.111-04:00Hi onlysleeping,
As radical white Western feminis...Hi onlysleeping,<br /><br />As radical white Western feminist Catharine A. MacKinnon has noted, most women doing "feminist" work around the world do not identify as "feminist" and the important thing is the work, the resistance to male domination and violence, the building of better societies in which all humans are respected. The important thing is that women not feel or be alone in doing this work. And the important thing is that there are sustained, supported campaigns to assist women's efforts to obtain and secure human rights and gender justice.<br /><br />As you state, Men's Rights Activsts aren't among the population doing that work. They are, as you say, too busy putting down women who are human rights activists. Sad (and self-serving) but true.<br /><br />Please send me any discussions by email (the address is more or less in the top right of the blog) where you've seen male child abuse and rape survivors made fun of or told to "man up".<br /><br />On the matter of profeminist vs. feminist, please see this post: <a href="http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2010/01/feminist-or.html" rel="nofollow">Ought Men Call Ourselves Feminist or Profeminist? A question worth asking without an easy answer</a> on the subject. <br /><br />I am very glad you left a comment and welcome you to do so again!Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-21003976369619573472010-09-19T11:00:31.432-04:002010-09-19T11:00:31.432-04:00Excellent post about the irritating tendency to ju...Excellent post about the irritating tendency to just copy/paste a list of misrepresented quotes... tragically, it tends to work. I will be hanging around this blog, for sure.<br /><br />On a slight tangent... I'm a woman who's been a bit agnostic about using the term 'feminist' (I know this can push some feminists' hot button but it's not because of fear, it's for practical reasons - the word can alienate and I'd rather build bridges, regardless of the reasons for the word's image problem it does have one and it gets in the way)<br /><br />HOWEVER, if the MRA and anti-feminist lobby are doing anything, it's pushing me (and others) further towards actively embracing feminism as a movement - the exact opposite of what they want. When I first found a MRA forum, I thought fair enough, I care about men's rights as much as women's - but they don't seem to care about men's rights. They care about bashing feminists. (For example I've seen sneering at male rape/abuse victims who are told to 'man up' by seemingly the same people who claim that help for rape/abuse victims is only available to women.) While part of me would still prefer to be called 'humanist' - I'm starting to see that the people who do the most for women AND men's rights, who are fighting the patriarchy which harms both sexes, are among the feminists.<br /><br />I see you call yourself 'profeminist' rather than feminist. Any reason, just out of curiosity? <br /><br />Sorry this was long and rambling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-69672596015879223842010-08-04T22:47:43.675-04:002010-08-04T22:47:43.675-04:00Thanks for you comment, QueenD!
I welcome any fem...Thanks for you comment, QueenD!<br /><br />I welcome any feminists or profeminists making videos reading my blog posts for YouTube or Vimeo, as long as the reader links to this blog, and to the post specifically, and as long as the post is not edited or excerpted--which would violate the copyright terms of this blog's writings.<br /><br />But I hope some men, especially, read the contents of some of these posts on video and post them to YouTube. Guys??? More men need to take a profeminist stance publicly.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-32754781382691813762010-08-04T18:49:37.512-04:002010-08-04T18:49:37.512-04:00Thank you for pointing out what liars doody and hi...Thank you for pointing out what liars doody and his jackals are. I see them posting on yahoo answers all the time and what is laughable is that they also post their blogs sites as proof of what they are saying. To me this is truly the definition of delusional. Thanks for an amazing site where truth triumphs. Please take the suggestion of having one of the feminists refute some of these lists on YouTube.QueenDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514175112143758376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-10656071673572552010-07-08T18:17:12.434-04:002010-07-08T18:17:12.434-04:00this sea of... patriarchal palien paradigmatic pre...this sea of... patriarchal palien paradigmatic preposterousness? ;)<br /><br />Yeah, THAT'S it!!!<br /><br />I hope plantwalks replies to me, too.... and any others who might care to respond.<br /><br />And to anyone who wants to search the MRA blogs where "Patti" has reponded, well, that's just one of many pseudonyms I use when creating accounts (keeping identity theft and all in mind, y'know), so it's not very likely that you'll find any.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15280718300138682860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-80698501681382760402010-07-08T17:38:06.563-04:002010-07-08T17:38:06.563-04:00You're welcome, Patti.
this sea of... patriar...You're welcome, Patti.<br /><br />this sea of... patriarchal palien paradigmatic preposterousness? ;)<br /><br />(And, I hope plantwalks replies to you here.)Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-15837894556907980092010-07-08T17:27:19.757-04:002010-07-08T17:27:19.757-04:00plantwalks,
You said, "many years ago I real...plantwalks,<br /><br />You said, "many years ago I realized the trap of taking my time responding to misogynists"<br />I hear you there...........OOOHHH DO I!!!<br /><br />I don't know your experience, exactly, but my experience with trying to respond to the members of the "Manosphere" (that's their term for the various Men's Rights groups, not mine) is to commence from the vantage point that I am dealing with logical, rational, reasonable beings (first big mistake!!), since they will tell you that those are the higher mind qualities that men possess and women do not. Not long thereafter, I find myself being sucked into a downward spiralling vortex of non-sequiturs, circular reasoning, hypocrisy and shaming language (to name only a few)......you try pointing this out, and the collective denial begins coupled with the accusations of projection. And then comes the "where's the hard evidence of {topic in question}. It never ceases to amaze me how a group comprised of many who have NO PROBLEM believing that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is self-evident absolutely CANNOT conceive of how "The patriarches of the past and present never allowed such behavior [such behaviour being women endlessly bitching, whining and moaning about their situation]. If the average woman whined too much about her situation, she got promptly bitch-slapped by her husband/father and told to shut her mouth" is oppressive to women without demanding proof of how it's oppressive; the oppressiveness of this type of "normal" behaviour is, apparently, NOT self-evident.<br /><br />The more frustrated I became in trying to explain (still working under the hopelessly optimistic assumption that SOMEONE was rational enough to see that there was at least SOME validity to my points), the more time I spent indulging in this exercise in futility. My work and personal life began suffering terribly as I realized that these people really are hell-bent on world domination at all costs. I had to withdraw from attempting any further discourse with these wanna-be-kings-of-the-world because they truly do not wish to see any viewpoint that might deviate even a little from their narrow focus.<br /><br />They mention the proliferation of "misandry in the media", and you point out the prevalence of pornography. Well, that turns out to be far more of a man-eating (as opposed to woman-eating) machine, too, in that the women's movement doesn't appear to have any empathy or lift a finger to help those poor hapless souls who are addicted to porn. And don't forget that, in society's view, men are of such little value that, for the most part, they remain faceless in porn; they are reduced to a disembodied penis because men themselves, as persons, don't matter to our current society. Yes, they really do say things like that.<br /><br />Yes, the Patriarchal Pity Party boggles the mind. And to Julian, I would like to say a HUGE "THANK YOU!!" for being an island of sanity in this sea of..... {I don't know, insert whatever word you want here}Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15280718300138682860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-16587838328401868742010-07-04T23:00:36.943-04:002010-07-04T23:00:36.943-04:00Hi and welcome, plantwalks,
I'd consider it b...Hi and welcome, plantwalks,<br /><br />I'd consider it but for a couple of problems: there are MRAs who would come after me, and I'm disabled and don't make public appearances, even on YouTube. Part of the reason for that is I think the women of color I support on this blog need to be heard, not so much a white guy. But, I am supportive if someone wants to read my post in a YouTube video, as long as they credit the source and list the website for this blog.<br /><br />I'd like to communicate by email with anyone who would be willing to do that, in part about making sure they are not vulnerable to MRA backlash.<br /><br />I'm also fine with someone posting any links from here @ A.R.P. to YouTube, such as under any antifeminist video, if a man is the culprit. There are, now, it seems, a few radical feminists on YouTube, and one of them visits this blog, so maybe I can work something out with her, unless you yourself would be interested. It's your idea, after all!!<br /><br />Thanks for suggesting it.<br /><br />I generally keep a low profile, other than posting here and putting comments on other sites where antifeminists spew their vile misogyny.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-18714341640364391792010-07-04T15:08:55.037-04:002010-07-04T15:08:55.037-04:00Hi Julian,
I just found your blog. Thank you for ...Hi Julian,<br /><br />I just found your blog. Thank you for your excellent work and wonderful commitment to ending oppression.<br /><br />Thank you for this article. It is very well done and thought out. I really like your comparison between the power that a relatively small number of recent feminist writers and thinkers have had relative to the entire history of patriarchal power.<br /><br />I was horrified to see the likes of (I'll call him) 'diddle' and his pals in YahooAnswers last year, duping so many people about feminism on there with his lists of out-of-context quotes. (Worse, the censors at YahooAnswers strongly favor the misogynists, and delete feminist questions on the grounds that those aren't respectful! Even if the questions are exact mirrors of the sexist questions being posed by men on there.)<br /><br /> I didn't want to take my precious time to fact-check any of diddle's lists (many years ago I realized the trap of taking my time responding to misogynists) but am grateful to you for doing that work. <br /><br />Because of the great number of people being misled, by ommission and lack of context by his lists, what you have done needed to be done. Sadly, I've since found MRA sites with his lists, and the lists have also found their way onto YouTube, where some young women are now reading these lists in videos! On YouTube, you may have seen the video, "Radical Feminist Statements," by MarinalsTEHSEX, a young woman misled about feminism by these lists.<br /><br />Because YouTube is so widely viewed, and is more accessible and convenient than reading articles, would you please consider posting a YouTube video of yourself reading this response? It could be a reply to Marinals' video. Perhaps it could be in two or three video segments. I think this would be an effective way to have your response reach more people, which would be very helpful for peoples' consideration of feminism, and their willingness to learn more about it and to consider what feminists, and profeminists, have to say.<br /><br />Thanks again for your great work.planthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05808266070427367769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-47775710387114998442010-07-01T22:34:30.606-04:002010-07-01T22:34:30.606-04:00Welcome QueenD,
I hope you visit often and share ...Welcome QueenD,<br /><br />I hope you visit often and share your own views here.<br /><br />Thank you so much for your comment! :)Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-34947612999203018002010-07-01T22:16:20.974-04:002010-07-01T22:16:20.974-04:00Thank you for your informative article. It is gre...Thank you for your informative article. It is great to find a blog site where one can enter without instantly feeling attacked. I am glad there are profeminists males that post intelligent blogs that utilize critical thinking skills. This doodlebug and his minions post their hatred and lies in yahoo.answers all the time. Glad you have issues a warning about the destructive, cunning nature.QueenDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514175112143758376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-62110462706899344632010-07-01T19:45:04.769-04:002010-07-01T19:45:04.769-04:00Hi ladorno,
I'm so glad you wrote, and hope t...Hi ladorno,<br /><br />I'm so glad you wrote, and hope the link to this post will get placed on any discussion where the MRA Trolls are doing this.<br /><br />I hope they are challenged with the truth of their very selective and skewed perspectives and "facts".<br /><br />They are an embarrassment to humanity and ought to hang their heads in shame for blaming women for what men do: HATE.Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-4675143909710691522010-07-01T19:12:39.453-04:002010-07-01T19:12:39.453-04:00Excellent work Julian, thanks very much for this h...Excellent work Julian, thanks very much for this helpful resource. The Doodle infestation is a long-running and well-known one and it's good to see a confirmation of what so many of us have been pointing out for so long. <br /><br />The links are great too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-81698210288259674612010-06-10T15:20:34.635-04:002010-06-10T15:20:34.635-04:00Thank you for the kind and supportive words, Queen...Thank you for the kind and supportive words, Queen Cals.<br /><br />(I'm a profeminist boy, but am always honored when someone mistakes my writing for that of a feminist woman's. Ever since I was a little one, and other boys would call me "girl"--I always felt flattered, and couldn't understand why they thought they were insulting me! lol)Julian Realhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933612851144914687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6744114065733119575.post-15465294907499998022010-06-10T12:32:09.868-04:002010-06-10T12:32:09.868-04:00I saw you didn't have any comments, and I just...I saw you didn't have any comments, and I just wanted to say keep up the good work sister! Brilliant post. There are lots of us out here listening!!Queen Calshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07557745889240863144noreply@blogger.com